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point values updates.

I found these numbers to be fairly accurate for vast majority of situations.

 

https://www.uscreditcardguide.com/bank-and-credit-card-points-airline-miles-hotel-points-value/

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K-in-Boston
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Re: point values updates.

That's not a bad representation, and I think many of the values are more reasonable to the average rewards enthusiast than The Point Guy valuations, which are broadly based on partner premium cabin airfare values.  I do think the Marriott value is a bit low and Alaska is a bit high (except for those amazing partner First/Business awards!) and certainly there are cases where things might need some tweaking.  For example, Membership Rewards transfer 1:1 to Virgin Atlantic (often with a big bonus), so it might not be fair to say that they're worth 1.0 while VS is worth 1.5.  Of course with flexible rewards programs like MRs, URs, etc. if you are redeeming for airfare, the earnings you receive as a member of that frequent flyer program should also be considered, as you would not receive those with a points transfer.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: point values updates.


@K-in-Boston wrote:

That's not a bad representation, and I think many of the values are more reasonable to the average rewards enthusiast than The Point Guy valuations, which are broadly based on partner premium cabin airfare values.  I do think the Marriott value is a bit low and Alaska is a bit high (except for those amazing partner First/Business awards!) and certainly there are cases where things might need some tweaking.  For example, Membership Rewards transfer 1:1 to Virgin Atlantic (often with a big bonus), so it might not be fair to say that they're worth 1.0 while VS is worth 1.5.  Of course with flexible rewards programs like MRs, URs, etc. if you are redeeming for airfare, the earnings you receive as a member of that frequent flyer program should also be considered, as you would not receive those with a points transfer.


I've never been able to see .7 value from a Marriott card. To me, they're always worth around .33 or .4.

 

The JetBlue points are, to me, a little more valuable than the 1.3 assigned to them; I've gotten around 1.6 cents value out of them.

 

Since I can trade ThankYou points 1:1 for JetBlue, that makes the TY points worth even more than 1.25 for me.

 

The only decent thing I can find to do with MR points is trade them 4:5 for JetBlue points, so that makes them worth around 1.25 for me.


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K-in-Boston
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Re: point values updates.

The Marriott values can be all over the board, but I haven't had any issues getting decent value out of them.  Obviously before the merger was complete, I was getting insane 7.5-8.0 cent SPG point value (2.5-2.67 cents per Marriott point) and that's not as easy to hit today (although see below), but I still have a very difficult time ever seeing less than 1 cent.  Just pulling a few at random:

 

The St. Regis in NYC is $6178.49 for 5 nights, or 425,000 points, which works out to 1.45 cents per point.

Ritz-Carlton Los Angeles is $4058.44 for 5 nights, or 300,000 points, which works out to 1.35 cents per point.

The Park Tower Knightsbridge in London is $4313.63 for 5 nights, or 300,000 points, which works out to 1.44 cents per point.

The AC Hotel in Kingston is $2221.29 for 5 nights, or 87,500 points, which works out to 2.54 cents per point.

 

It's important that when you're calculating Marriott point values to always click through on the the cash rate screen until you get to the actual reservation page so that you see the price with taxes.  Award nights are not charged tax and that often makes a huge difference depending on the city.  So while you may see something that is $300 a night or 30,000 points (1 cent per point) at face value, if there's 31% of combined taxes on top of that (not at all unusual), the actual value would be $393, or 1.31 cents per point.

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wasCB14
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Re: point values updates.

So much depends on travel frequency and budget. Most of us don't stay nearly as often at Marriotts as KiB, and less travel means fewer opportunities from which to select award stays.

 

With a few exceptions, premium cabin seats are going to give a better mile value than economy seats.

 

I was a big IHG fan for a long time (and still keep the nerfed card and stay there when it's convenient) but they can be really greedy about not making awards available even at nearly-empty properties.

 

Many bloggers/card-salespeople give estimates...but don't really explain the assumptions one must make to get those values.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: point values updates.


@K-in-Boston wrote:

The Marriott values can be all over the board, but I haven't had any issues getting decent value out of them.  Obviously before the merger was complete, I was getting insane 7.5-8.0 cent SPG point value (2.5-2.67 cents per Marriott point) and that's not as easy to hit today (although see below), but I still have a very difficult time ever seeing less than 1 cent.  Just pulling a few at random:

 

The St. Regis in NYC is $6178.49 for 5 nights, or 425,000 points, which works out to 1.45 cents per point.

Ritz-Carlton Los Angeles is $4058.44 for 5 nights, or 300,000 points, which works out to 1.35 cents per point.

The Park Tower Knightsbridge in London is $4313.63 for 5 nights, or 300,000 points, which works out to 1.44 cents per point.

The AC Hotel in Kingston is $2221.29 for 5 nights, or 87,500 points, which works out to 2.54 cents per point.

 

It's important that when you're calculating Marriott point values to always click through on the the cash rate screen until you get to the actual reservation page so that you see the price with taxes.  Award nights are not charged tax and that often makes a huge difference depending on the city.  So while you may see something that is $300 a night or 30,000 points (1 cent per point) at face value, if there's 31% of combined taxes on top of that (not at all unusual), the actual value would be $393, or 1.31 cents per point.


1.  Those places you mention in your second paragraph.... I would never be found at places like that. I'm a budget traveler Smiley Happy That probably explains it.

 

2.  What you're saying about clicking through, and fixing the taxes, is fascinating; I will be sure to try that next time. It's always an education to see what you have to say about these points cards.


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K-in-Boston
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Re: point values updates.


@wasCB14 wrote:

So much depends on travel frequency and budget. Most of us don't stay nearly as often at Marriotts as KiB, and less travel means fewer opportunities from which to select award stays.


That's a very good point.  I freely admit that I cherry-pick between cash rate and award stays, and 2019 is a good example of where I had a ton of travel from February through May and racked up on bonus points: 10 standard, 5 platinum bonus, 10 double points bonus, welcome gift, and 6 points per dollar spent on Marriott card for Marriott (in other words, 31 points per dollar and welcome gift of usually 1000, plus 500 additional points for any stay that had a weekend night) plus up to 10 Membership Rewards points per dollar clicking through to Marriott on eBates.

 


@SouthJamaica wrote:

2.  What you're saying about clicking through, and fixing the taxes, is fascinating; I will be sure to try that next time. It's always an education to see what you have to say about these points cards.


I didn't write the book; I just have it memorized.  Smiley Wink

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wasCB14
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Re: point values updates.


@K-in-Boston wrote:

@wasCB14 wrote:

So much depends on travel frequency and budget. Most of us don't stay nearly as often at Marriotts as KiB, and less travel means fewer opportunities from which to select award stays.


That's a very good point.  I freely admit that I cherry-pick between cash rate and award stays, and 2019 is a good example of where I had a ton of travel from February through May and racked up on bonus points: 10 standard, 5 platinum bonus, 10 double points bonus, welcome gift, and 6 points per dollar spent on Marriott card for Marriott (in other words, 31 points per dollar and welcome gift of usually 1000, plus 500 additional points for any stay that had a weekend night) plus up to 10 Membership Rewards points per dollar clicking through to Marriott on eBates.

 


@SouthJamaica wrote:

2.  What you're saying about clicking through, and fixing the taxes, is fascinating; I will be sure to try that next time. It's always an education to see what you have to say about these points cards.


I didn't write the book; I just have it memorized.  Smiley Wink


Good to know! Somehow I got the idea that using eBates for hotels meant giving up loyalty points and perks!

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K-in-Boston
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Re: point values updates.

eBates (now Rakuten), SkyMiles Shopping, Mileage Plan Shopping, etc. portals are fine for stacking, as long as they are sending you directly to the hotel company's website.  Booking through OTAs like Expedia, Amex Travel, etc., it will be up to the individual hotel properties whether to honor elite benefits or submit points to your account; in most cases, the answer is no.

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