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Quote...'Cap One is known for never unsecuring their credit card'.....
DCU and SDFCU will not graduate their secured cards either.
While I do believe it is a good idea to join a credit union and establish a relationship for eventually applying for loan products these would not be the ones to pick for secured credit cards.
Find a card that graduates eventually.
Discover
TD Cash
Citi
BoA
NFCU
All graduate eventually.
And just to add, Amazon Store Card also unsecures eventually.
Not a credit card, a store card, but mentioning because 5% off at Amazon is very nice for anyone who shops much at Amazon.
@Anonymous wrote:i'd also like to be a part of a CU to get access to low rate loans for if i want to buy a car in a few years.
Having a CU is IMO a good thing. I have a couple and they are good for cars loans, personal loans, and sometimes credit cards with low APR rate. However all it takes is $15 - $20, sometimes less in a savings to start a relationship. Your rates will not be based on your credi limits so no need to tie up 6k.
I'd like to have a card where i can put a big purchase on it of say 3k just in case of an emergency or have a quick way to buy something like a computer, since i can probably balance transfer it later onto a 0% apr card or pay it off the card with a low rate loan.
Save the $6000 in a savings for an emergency.
the cost of a phone these days is approaching and sometimes exceeding 1k,
(One can get a nice phone for $300)
and that would max out my current card just to buy that single item. if you apply for samsung financing, it counts as a "consumer finance account" and that will ding your fico score. so it's suggested that you buy it on a 0% apr card, and right now i don't qualify for any such 0% card offers, or any samsung financing. so having a larger limit card would at least allow me to buy it without paying cash. Not without it costing a lot more because of interest. One should buy needed items based on income and monthly expenses. It is not wise to base your spend on a granted CL. Putting items on credit you can't afford and don't need will backfire with time. Lots of horror stories in these forums from both Zero interest cards and overspending on cards.
it seems to be that certain lenders are very stingy and others aren't. chase, capital-one, and citi seem to be the worst ones. they are giving out small limits and tiny CLI's, whereas discover and others seem to give out thousands in a single CLI. cap1 is known for never unsecuring their secured card, even after they promise that they will do it. so i want to avoid these banks and credit unions that are hostile to the customer, some of them don't even offer secured cards. some give you the runaround when you apply demanding all kinds of paperwork and questioning you about your reasons for joining. so i'm really leaning towards joining SDFCU or DCU as these seem to be the least hostile.
Because an issuer is conservative does not make them undesirable.
Many would want 5% back on 2,000 spend a quarter with US-Bank, FNBO, etc than have $50,000 CL with Amex or NFCU with a 1.5% rewards. I am one of them. You seem to have an obsession with high CL's as a goal. A good score, strong payment history and rewards might be far more important.
I will take my $400 a year from a US-Bank Cash+ with $1000 CL rather than have $50,000 limit from NFCU and earn $120 with same spend.
my end goal for cards is to end up with 2 or 3 cards
Not a bad goal. I only use 4 cards for all my rewards and like the simplicity
with high limits, rather than lots of cards with small limits.
Credit limits should not be the goal !
Cards that benefit your from normal necessary spend and long term financial goals are more important. A good credit profile will save you money with more expensive purchases in the future like car, mortgage, persona loans, etc. Cards with good reward that earn miles or cash back. High CL's are extremely overrated, IMHO. Don't get me wrong some people do benefit from them, however the majority of card users do not need high limits.
it seems to be that lenders will set your limit based upon the limit they see someone else already gave you.
This has not been my experience, but even if it is true, who cares?.
Your CL's will rise with ALL issuers if you use the cards and pay on time.
that's another reason i was curious about a high limit secured card, so that maybe other lenders would see a reduced risk and be less skittish about giving me a similar limit on unsecured cards.
They can see it is secured.
Your use, income, payment history, and time is what matters.
You can not speed up time, so you need to develop a lot more patience.
well, i just tried my luck at prequal for amex and discover, because a lot of you have mentioned these cards as being good to have:
amex didn't prequal me for anything, but i am prequalled for discoverIT cashback card, and discoverIT Chrome.
i wasn't expecting anything from a big lender yet so this is a good sign. i'll take a look around for more offers, i haven't looked since feb.
i'd like to find a good cashback on everything card with 2% and no annual fee. similar to the citi doublecash.
regarding the DCU and SDFCU secured cards, they do now automatically graduate to unsecured, people who still have an old one might not ever get graduated up from it, but all the new apps get graduated up is what i've heard.
kforce: thanks for the detail in all your replies. i've seen it mentioned in the forum that one of the critera cap1 looks at is if you have had a card with a limit greater than 5k on your profile for a year or more, and if you haven't then they don't consider you to have good credit no matter how high your fico score is. the underwriting team has decided that's the criteria. i'm not sure if that's an industry standard for underwriting teams to go by or not. but yes, i'm kind of stuck on this idea of getting a higher limit now even though i wouldn't really need it. mostly for utilizations, and that's where i got my idea for a 6k limit from. also, apparently the highest fico score holders only use 10% of their card limits, so it means i have to pay down my 1k limit card every time i spend $100 on it, or get a higher limit to avoid going over this threshold otherwise i'm damaging my fico score to some degree. that's my understanding of things right now, maybe i'm wrong about it.
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I only use about 1% of my total limits at this point w/ 500K+ in CL's. But, yes generally the highest scores are under 9% of their CL. We shoot for higher limits so we don't have manage using our cards as much. It's alot easier to just setup autopay and forget about the rest of it each month. It take a big chunk of change to hit 10% when your limits are 50K+ or even 25K+ unless you're going out of your way to spend that much each month.
I hit 20% on one new card I picked up recently and score swing taking into account the other 4 accounts that are new was ~3 points and still over 800.
@Anonymous wrote:well, i just tried my luck at prequal for amex and discover, because a lot of you have mentioned these cards as being good to have:
amex didn't prequal me for anything, but i am prequalled for discoverIT cashback card, and discoverIT Chrome.
i wasn't expecting anything from a big lender yet so this is a good sign. i'll take a look around for more offers, i haven't looked since feb.
i'd like to find a good cashback on everything card with 2% and no annual fee. similar to the citi doublecash.
regarding the DCU and SDFCU secured cards, they do now automatically graduate to unsecured, people who still have an old one might not ever get graduated up from it, but all the new apps get graduated up is what i've heard.
I would not get a secured card that will not guarantee becoming unsecured. After 6 months you will have a credit score, and half a year of payment history. That is a good time to get 1 more card. As others have said check prequal sites. If Discover shows now it will still be there in a couple months. I believe it is a good card and one worth considering. If wanting a 2% general spend I would say get the 5% rotating discover then wait for your oldest card to be a year+ old before going for the Pay-Pal or Doublecash 2%. If high CL in short time is still important for you, the Amex or Pay-Pal seem to grow faster than the Citi doublecash. Depending on your income and spend the differance at this point in time between an Amex 1.5% and 2% might not be much.
kforce: thanks for the detail in all your replies. ( You are welcome) i've seen it mentioned in the forum that one of the critera cap1 looks at is if you have had a card with a limit greater than 5k on your profile for a year or more, and if you haven't then they don't consider you to have good credit no matter how high your fico score is. the underwriting team has decided that's the criteria. i'm not sure if that's an industry standard for underwriting teams to go by or not. but yes, i'm kind of stuck on this idea of getting a higher limit now even though i wouldn't really need it.
If there was a way for new CC users to get $5,000 CL's with no previous credit cards, payment history, or Fico Score it would be published in this forum on the main page, in red, and large bold font. Everyone starts with small CL's, low scores and over a few years gets better cards, larger limits, etc
mostly for utilizations, and that's where i got my idea for a 6k limit from.
All new users need to manage both use and payments better than an established user with large CL's.
also, apparently the highest fico score holders only use 10% of their card limits,
You are looking at users with many years of credit history. Many even with exceptional credit, good CL's and 50+ years of history (Yes Me) make payments more than once a month. Some are OCD about debt, others worry about fico scores while others like to make payments every payday. Some check for fraud every other day and make a payment if a balance shows.
Many find it much easier than seeking extreme CL's.
Lets use that 3000 refrig and 1000 phone (4K)
To let it report on a card and be under that magic 8.9% would require $47,000 CL or you could just make a payment early.
I put thousands thru my cards monthly and would never need more than $5,000 a card.
20 years of letting only a few hundred ever report to a card and some of my CL's grew to 50k.
so it means i have to pay down my 1k limit card every time i spend $100 on it, or get a higher limit to avoid going over this threshold otherwise i'm damaging my fico score to some degree. that's my understanding of things right now, maybe i'm wrong about it.
Yes but remember Fico only counts if you are seeking new credit so NO most of the time you would not need to make an early payment. If you ar not letting large utilization numbers report it means nothing.
If it is a small CL and you need to spend more than the limit each month, you might need to make more than one payment to spend what you need monthly. This is the most common need for multiple payments. Also remember this is only for a short time, your credit limits will grow in a few years.
a while ago, i looked up what the average limit would be per score range and this is what came up, does this look correct from everyones own experiences? i don't want to have unrealistic expectations.
Experian fico8 score ranges:
Deep SubPrime (300-499) CL:$1,834
SubPrime (500-600) CL:$2,645
NonPrime (601-660) CL:$4,674
Prime (661-780) CL:$7,593
SuperPrime (781+) CL:$11,357
also, when i was looking up info about credit union cards, i was seeing people say that SDFCU gives the best rate at 720. does that mean there's really no benefit to go up to the superprime score range? won't need it for a lower mortgage rate either?
i know it's possible for a new cc user to get a score as high as 700 just by using a single card, i've seen that done by a few people. do you think there's a way to hit an even higher starting score than that? i think it must be possible, but you'd have to avoid triggering any adverse actions when opening more credit. the scoring model can be contradictory so perhaps the risk of adding more credit too soon outweighs the risk of not adding enough to generate a really good score. if you get dinged for building credit too fast, what are the penalties and how long do they last?
but for example, if i added more cards now, the HP's will drop off faster than if i added them slowly, the AAoA starts building earlier, i can ask for CLI's that much sooner, etc. and if i take a small ding for it right now, maybe its worth taking it.
@creds:
Everyone and every result is different. I actually stumbled across that barometer of sorts the other day and laughed.
So, a 720 (depending on model) can get you an ideal "rate" not CL.
With an 800+ in my recent app spree of sorts the highest CL was 25K after calling Barclays to up it from the original approval amount. Keep in mind I have a total of 22 accounts that OPEN with the oldest being about 13 years at this point.
Think of credit buidling as a house being built. You first have to lay a FOUNDATION which usually consists of 4 corners to support the beams you're going to put in on the corners to support the walls / roof. Credit is the same way for a large portion of the population. You get a few of the starter limits sub-1K and deal with it for awhile.
Once the starter cards age a bit and you don't mess up on payments you're rewarded with slightly higher limits and that's the scafolding that keeps you safe while working up towards putting the roof on your new place.
Then the scafolding puts you within reach to lay the beams and trusses across the top of the foundation structure. This is where you start picking up more sophisticated tools to perform the mitre cuts to join the pieces together at angles. You start to be able to acquire better cards that fit into your arsenal of tools for the "wants" that you desire.
After you get all of your tools in order you're ready to put the roof onto your new house. This is where the premium cards come in and you start thinking about landscaping. Pick a card, cut a card, pick a card, cut a card.
Finally you're done!
Scores and CL's don't always correlate. For instance you can be in the 640's and go with NFCU and grab a 25K CL. Whereas you try the same with Chase you get $500. HP's matter when you're starting out and after you have about 6-10 of them on your reports they don't matter as much anymore from a scoring stand point but, if you're shooting blanks and getting denials then what's the point?
There are different paths you can choose, some might be better for the next six months, some might be better for two or three years down the road. Opening more accounts now might put you in a weaker position to qualify for stuff you want for the next six months but it would mean a thicker file in two years. It's hard to have "the answer" for yourself, let alone somebody else.
Higher credit limits correlate with higher credit scores, but that is not mainly cause and effect, IMO. There is an aspect of it that is. Higher limits do remove a penalty to scoring, but I think the main factor is that people with good credit also generally have old credit lines that have had plenty of time to grow.