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50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

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50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

I never really thought about this until today, as over the years I've usually paid not only my statement balance, but my current balance a couple of days before my due date.  For someone that does float a balance and does a monthly PIF of their statement balance, if they're using 50% of their credit limit they're going to be maxing out the card almost every cycle, assuming multiple payments aren't made.  I've never run into this issue until this month, so I guess I never thought about it.

 

Take a $10,000 limit card for simple numbers here.  Someone makes $5000 in purchases, utilizing 50% of their limit.  Their statement cuts and $5000 reports as the balance.  Next month they PIF the $5000 previous statement balance come the due date, but not before making another $5k in monthly purchases, bringing them up to their $10k limit.  It would seem to me that their $10k limit card is effectively a $5k limit card at this point, as the card holder can only make $5k in purchases every month.  Again, this is assuming multiple payments aren't made. 

 

Am I looking at this the wrong way, or does it make sense?  I guess my point here is that if someone consistently makes purchases in the amount of 50% or greater of their credit limit every cycle and they like to float a balance, they more or less need a CLI to keep things comfortable. 

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HeavenOhio
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Re: 50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

It makes total sense. Before coming to this forum, I used to occasionally run into the situation you describe, even though I'd always pay in full by the due date. I'd have a fairly high statement balance, continue to use the card, and decide I'd better make a payment to stay away from my limit.

 

I'd guess that overall, it's not an incredibly risky behavior. Paying in full every month can offset a lot. Since then, I've added some cards and increased my limits to keep me from bumping into that situation anymore.

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Anonymous
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Re: 50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

Thanks for the reply.  I would think that the above behavior wouldn't last for long, as the majority of lenders I feel would see issuing a CLI as a smart business decision.  The credit limit here could clearly be the constraint to the customer spending more and we all know they want our amount of swipes to increase.  I'd actually be surprised if a lender allowed a customer to exhibit this type of behavior for more than 3-4 cycles without giving them a CLI.

 

I never really used to float much, as I was always trying to keep my reported balances low, always implemented AZEO, etc.  For me, encountering this issue is brand new and not one that I had even thought about prior.

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iced
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@Anonymous wrote:

I never really thought about this until today, as over the years I've usually paid not only my statement balance, but my current balance a couple of days before my due date.  For someone that does float a balance and does a monthly PIF of their statement balance, if they're using 50% of their credit limit they're going to be maxing out the card almost every cycle, assuming multiple payments aren't made.  I've never run into this issue until this month, so I guess I never thought about it.

 

Take a $10,000 limit card for simple numbers here.  Someone makes $5000 in purchases, utilizing 50% of their limit.  Their statement cuts and $5000 reports as the balance.  Next month they PIF the $5000 previous statement balance come the due date, but not before making another $5k in monthly purchases, bringing them up to their $10k limit.  It would seem to me that their $10k limit card is effectively a $5k limit card at this point, as the card holder can only make $5k in purchases every month.  Again, this is assuming multiple payments aren't made. 

 

Am I looking at this the wrong way, or does it make sense?  I guess my point here is that if someone consistently makes purchases in the amount of 50% or greater of their credit limit every cycle and they like to float a balance, they more or less need a CLI to keep things comfortable. 


 

You can't say it's effectively a $5k card without also making the assumption that the original $5k somehow vanishes from the equation once that first statement is cut. It hasn't. It's still a $10k limit card, it's just that the person is using half of that limit until the pay the bill (PIF or otherwise). If you spend $5k a month but wait until the last day to PIF the statement, you effectively carried a $5k balance for up to a month, thus using half your limit.

 

On the other hand, if the statement cuts on the first of the month and you pay the bill on the 2nd of the month, you'll have the $10k limit for use in spending that month.

 

In reality, it's usually somewhere in-between these two extremes. I often spend about the same amount on my card each month and my total balance rarely exceeds about 125% of that value. In your example, I spend $5000/month but my balance only gets about as high as $6250, and I'm still only making one payment per month right before the due date. That's because by the time a payment is due on the $5000 I spent last month, I've spent about another $1250 toward this month's $5000.

 

If my spending pattern was such that I made a single large purchase of $5000 right before the statement date and it didn't get put into next month's statement, then I will have a situation where that $5000 doesn't come due for 2 months, and that's when I would run into your example. Even then, I'm still technically carrying a balance - I just manipulated the timing such that I maximized the amount of time I had to pay for it before interest starts accruing.

 

If someone likes to carry a balance (that reasoning is best kept for another thread), they will need a larger limit. Otherwise, a single payment per month still works fine in most circumstances and the person will be in no danger of hitting their limit.

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Anonymous
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Re: 50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out


@iced

 

If someone likes to carry a balance (that reasoning is best kept for another thread), they will need a larger limit.


Right, that's more or less what I was getting at.  Perhaps my wording was a bit off when I said a $10k limit effectively becomes a $5k limit if you float $5k on the card.  Sure, it's still a $10k limit, but you're only able to make $5k in purchases each cycle [without additional payments].  That's really what I meant.

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iced
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@Anonymous wrote:

@iced

 

If someone likes to carry a balance (that reasoning is best kept for another thread), they will need a larger limit.


Right, that's more or less what I was getting at.  Perhaps my wording was a bit off when I said a $10k limit effectively becomes a $5k limit if you float $5k on the card.  Sure, it's still a $10k limit, but you're only able to make $5k in purchases each cycle [without additional payments].  That's really what I meant.


Correct, as that person is also carrying a $5k balance every month. What I'm really trying to drive home is that the person is still carrying a balance, even if it's only 30 days until the due date. There's nothing stopping that person from paying the $5k balance off early, after all.

 

If the real question is whether it will prompt a bank to issue a CLI...my guess is it's a mixed bag. They certainly don't need the CLI (the limitations on spending each month are self-inflicted), but some banks may do it anyway since they may well want someone to bite off just enough they have to carry a balance that incurs interest without biting off so much they can't pay it back eventually. If this forum's perception was truly how banks acted, Barclays will CLD you for it and Chase would shake a magic 8-ball to determine if you get a CLI or not.

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Anonymous
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Re: 50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

Yeah, I would think in general it would prompt more favorable results (CLI) as opposed to AA, but you never know with different lenders!
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Anonymous
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Re: 50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

That's why you use more than one card, to keep from ever getting close to 50% utilization. 

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HeavenOhio
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Re: 50% usage on a CC for 2 cycles = maxed out

Someone posted here that a bank needs income updated within the past year in order to issue a CLI. I recall Capital One prompting me to do that once, and a CLI did follow. My usage was high at the time. But they don't seem to ask for updated income information regularly.

 

On my newer cards, Chase asked me to update my income after about eight months, and Barclays asked after about eleven.

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Anonymous
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@AnonymousThat's why you use more than one card, to keep from ever getting close to 50% utilization. 

I disagree.  I use more than 1 card to maximize my rewards, as I have different cards that yield greater cash back in different categories.  The card in question here is my general spend card (Citi DC, 2%) so if I were to use a different card that only gives 1% CB for "everything else" I'd be leaving CB on the table.  The solution for me would be to achieve a CLI on the card that I'm heavily using, not move some of my spend to other (lesser) cards.

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