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Hi all. Been lurking around here (mostly the mortgage section) since starting the homebuying process. Had something interesting happen with my credit scores I wanted to ask about. First little background on my credit profile:
1 credit card, $9000 limit, paid in full each month, no late payments, max utilization ~15%, had since 2011
No other credit, loans, car payment, mortgage, etc.
No liens, collections, derogatories, etc
Last time I checked my credit report was 2013 and it confirmed all the info listed above, but I didn't get my scores at that time. Well I recently applied for a mortgage and my scores all came back around 700-710. I was a little bummed because I thought I would be a good amount higher than that. I chalked it up to just not having much credit history with the single card for 4 years. But when I received a copy of the scores/report from the bank I found a single collection for $54 on there from the university I attended. It had just been placed into collections in 2014. To the best of my knowledge all my accounts were in good standing when I graduated, and I never received any mail, calls, or emails trying to collect.
The bank suggested I contact the collector and write a letter of explanation and request a deletion, so I did that. I was willing to take in good faith it was a legit debt I owed, I wasn't trying to dispute. I just didn't want a bad mark that would hold back my scores and cause me to have rate on my mortgage when I never knew about it or had an opportunity to take care of it. The collection company was suprisingly understanding and agreed if I paid the balance they would put in a deletion request to the credit agencies.
A week later the bank ran my credit again, and my scores jumped up to 800-810! The collection was already gone, I couldn't believe it. On one side I was thrilled, I was able to qualify for a significantly lower rate on my mortgage. On the other hand I was still a little mad that a single collection for $54 could ding my score that much.
Did that one collection have such a big impact because I only have the one credit card and nothing else reporting? For example if I had 3 cards that were all managed well do you think the collection would have impacted less? I just find it crazy that it could have that much of an effect, and wondered why.
In any case it had a good ending, loan is going through and set to close on my first house before the end of the month. And let me tell you I will not be ignoring my credit from now on!
A little off track but....You only have 1 card that is 4 years old and nothing else at all? Not even closed loans?? I didn't think it would be possible to get to 800+ with only one card and little history....
@Anonymous wrote:Hi all. Been lurking around here (mostly the mortgage section) since starting the homebuying process. Had something interesting happen with my credit scores I wanted to ask about. First little background on my credit profile:
1 credit card, $9000 limit, paid in full each month, no late payments, max utilization ~15%, had since 2011
No other credit, loans, car payment, mortgage, etc.
No liens, collections, derogatories, etc
Last time I checked my credit report was 2013 and it confirmed all the info listed above, but I didn't get my scores at that time. Well I recently applied for a mortgage and my scores all came back around 700-710. I was a little bummed because I thought I would be a good amount higher than that. I chalked it up to just not having much credit history with the single card for 4 years. But when I received a copy of the scores/report from the bank I found a single collection for $54 on there from the university I attended. It had just been placed into collections in 2014. To the best of my knowledge all my accounts were in good standing when I graduated, and I never received any mail, calls, or emails trying to collect.
The bank suggested I contact the collector and write a letter of explanation and request a deletion, so I did that. I was willing to take in good faith it was a legit debt I owed, I wasn't trying to dispute. I just didn't want a bad mark that would hold back my scores and cause me to have rate on my mortgage when I never knew about it or had an opportunity to take care of it. The collection company was suprisingly understanding and agreed if I paid the balance they would put in a deletion request to the credit agencies.
A week later the bank ran my credit again, and my scores jumped up to 800-810! I couldn't believe it. On one side I was thrilled, I was able to qualify for a significantly lower rate on my mortgage. On the other hand I was still a little mad that a single collection for $54 could ding my score that much.
Did that one collection have such a big impact because I only have the one credit card and nothing else reporting? For example if I had 3 cards that were all managed well do you think the collection would have impacted less? I just find it crazy that it could have that much of an effect, and wondered why.
In any case it had a good ending, loan is going through and set to close on my first house before the end of the month. And let me tell you I will not be ignoring my credit from now on!
If you would've had 3 cards the impact would probably be the same. I've heard many contributors here say if you have a pristine record, like in your case, 1 derogatory can really plummet your score. When your score is significantly higher the threshold for mistakes is very small, as you experienced. People with lower scores may already have blemishes on their records, so the impact of additional baddies is cushioned when new ones are added.
My only other thing would be my first credit card I got around 2002. But in 2005 that I defaulted on that. It was over 180 days late payment, balance about $3000. I settled directly with the credit card company and paid reduced amount. That is the only other thing I have had. It showed on credit for awhile but since it's 10yrs old it doesn't show on my report anymore.
I do have a corporate Amex card but that doesn't show up on my credit report so I didn't think it was relevant but maybe it is? I only use it for business expense and it gets paid by employer.
Other than those things and the credit card described above I have nothing else in my credit history.
It makes perfect sense that a single derogatory would account for that many points since your file is very thin.
@Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense that a single derogatory would account for that many points since your file is very thin.
But i don't see how his file is so thin at least in age. But i was under the belief that under $100 collection has no affect what so ever on fico 8.
@taxi818 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense that a single derogatory would account for that many points since your file is very thin.
But i don't see how his file is so thin at least in age. But i was under the belief that under $100 collection has no affect what so ever on fico 8.
If I am not mistaken, most mortgage companies still use FICO04 for their scores so one wouldn't benefit from the <$100 collection perk.
@JagerBombs89 wrote:
@taxi818 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:It makes perfect sense that a single derogatory would account for that many points since your file is very thin.
But i don't see how his file is so thin at least in age. But i was under the belief that under $100 collection has no affect what so ever on fico 8.
If I am not mistaken, most mortgage companies still use FICO04 for their scores so one wouldn't benefit from the <$100 collection perk.
Correct.
Not all that surprised that with a thin file that one derog hit you for that many points. Glad you were able to get it removed and see a nice jump back up in score.
The thiness or thickness of the credit profile isn't relevent.
Anyone who has a score in the 800's with no degrogatories reporting, would take that amount of a hit for a fresh collection reporting.
Correct, FICO 8 should ignore collections >$100. Most of the other FICO version will account for it.
I find it interesting the OP's score is at 800 with only one four year old credit card as well. Must be some other tradelines on the credit report.