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Im against these BNPL, but of course, I've prequalified for several of them.... would never pay a dime for membership for something like Klarna however, BUT the new FIco version is supposed to include the BNPL loans that probably in the USA has another 100 billion of debt floating around unreported.
I've used affirm twice - just to seee. The smallest loan, they reported to EXP ONLY, and I PIF immediately. the second loan which I also PIF immediately for 8000, they DID NOT REPORT TO ANY CRA EVER... so very odd.
that said, the thought of being able to borrow 12000 at 0% for a year or so and not having it count against my util, etc. is enticing, yet NEVER GOING to happen. I don't like installment loans that count so heavily towards my DTI. Credit cards are easier to maintain.
I cant wait for the new FICO versions 09 and maybe 10 I think to come out so these schemes get reported. I don't wanna rain on anyones parade, but there are far too many people in the 800 club, about 25% of the population, and then another 25% are well over 700.. so we need to account for all of that unreported outstanding debt.
I suppose the debt I owe my drug dealer should be reported as well. ( I AM SO SO SO KIDDING! but how funny could that be!!!!)
that would be something the government would pass though... (its illegal to buy or sell drugs but you MUST REPORT it to the CRAs!!!) lol that sounds like the big beautiful bill LMAO)
Anyone else have any crazy pre qualified limits or pre approvals with the BNPL schemes? I use the word scheme neutrally. Im sure, for some, folks a 60 day interest free loan is great, but it needs to be reported to credit bureaus in my humble opinion as the dilution of credit scores has become too much. BOA told me that being at 694 FICO puts you only above 35% of the population in terms of scoring.
CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!!
would love to hear about other folks pre qualified limits with the BNPL schemes.
Yup, merchants are getting creative so people will continue buying their products now that they don't have any money. It's $12k of potential debt to buy junk you don't need. Continuing to sign up for junk financial products is what will keep your score in the bottom 1/3.
@youngandcreditwrthy I have the Affirm card and just like you with a $12k limit. Keep in mind this amount constantly changes. I was at $6k at some point, raised to $8k then $12k and dropped down to $8k and right back to $12k where it still sits today. I think the fluctuations happens every other week or so. Affirm only reports your first ever loan to Experian, then any subsequent loan or financing you obtain doesn't get reported although that recently changed starting in April. With these new changes, I have decided not to use any BNPL loan just because these accounts are coded as consumer finance account which is factored negatively by FICO. Congratulations on the approval and keep in mind as you use and pay off your Affirm loans, they tend to increase your spending limit in increments of $2k - $4k in my experience.
As a recent data point, Affirm has been shown to report as an installment loan and does not appear to be coded as a CFA.
@dfwxjer that is it which is why I wont.
like credit one trying to be prestigious with an amex networked card.
even webbank and Community Coastal bank.. all subprime arguably are coming up with crazy offers.. ally bank, mercury bank... they TRY to keep you getting their cards.
Im fully out of that territory and will stay out of but yeah. People got realize once you get to 750+, you gotta maintain it. Dont start using BNPL.
The only way we can knock this inflation out is to STOP BUYING STUFF WE DONT NEED ON CREDIT.
no one is going to step in and stop you from adding on to the highest credit card debt in American history except yourself.
agree @pip3man Yeah I noticed that. it's kind of how upstarts weird little credit card thing works.. that is , it is not a true credit card LOL ...
affirm even sent me their credit card.... which is even more confusing. You basically use a card to buy something with an installment loan? lmao.
wonder who gets the swipe fees? Im sure there are fees galore. Yeah it kind miffed me that they reported that first little loan, so I thought hey maybe have a big one reported and PIF will build history because that happened about two years ago when I started rebuilding/slash was in the mid 600s and could obtain credit but with bad terms. They never reported that 8000 loan I pif. the bahstuds.
I agree that BNPL should be reported to credit bureaus. However the way it's scored needs to be entirely different from the traditional FICO model. Applying current credit scoring logic to BNPL doesn’t make much sense, especially when you're talking about short-term splits like 4 payments over 6–8 weeks. For instance, account age and length of credit history are major factors in most scoring models, but they become meaningless when BNPL accounts are often opened and closed within short periods.
For many people, BNPL is a practical option. Say your fridge breaks—you could pay for it upfront and have no money left for food, or you could split it into 4 payments and stay afloat. That’s not financial irresponsibility; that’s a reasonable use of a tool that fits the situation. Sure you can add it to a card, but are you going to get 0% unless you have a card from that exact retailer and perhaps today's sky is purple and they are running a promotion? It's nice that BNPL works at most places.
BNPL can avoid some of the traps of traditional credit cards. A lot of retail financing offers such as deferred interest schemes. These are confusing for most people and end up costing more than expected. BNPL, on the other hand, often has clear, fixed payments known at the time of purchase. That kind of predictability is appealing, especially to people who have been burned by fine print and changing terms on credit cards.
BNPL is just that—a tool. It's not inherently good or bad. Like anything else in personal finance, it depends on how you use it. Some people abuse it, sure—but the same is true of credit cards, personal loans, and overdrafts. You are either your own worse enemy or your best friend.
Regarding credit scoring, FICO 10 is already available (you can buy it on MyFICO), and it doesn’t include BNPL unless they create a variant like FICO 10T, which incorporates balance trending. So unless a new scoring model is specifically built around short-term financing, BNPL accounts shouldn’t just be jammed into the existing framework. Either build a separate BNPL score—or at least adjust key factors like age of accounts and utilization to reflect the nature of these products.
You argue that too many people have high scores, and some scores may drop because of BNPL reporting, or you may find that even more people end up with higher scores. BNPL puts everything on auto drive, they auto take the money so you do not have to remember to make payments. For the younger generation that is gold.
In my case, yes I’m skeptical of BNPL, but that doesn’t mean I won’t use it when it makes sense. For example, I’m currently financing a bed through a BNPL provider. Why? Because I was offered 18 months at 0% interest no strings attached, no deferred interest traps, no fine print to trip over. Hard to beat an interest-free loan. Rather than cashing out investments or draining savings, I get to keep my money working for me in other places in the market and other ventures.
To me, that’s a smart use of credit. It’s not about “can I afford this now,” but “why would I unnecessarily tie up cash when I can leverage a zero-cost financing option instead?”
But we get it ... you hate BNPL