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cocotel
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Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

We are several months behind in our credit card payments.  Long story short, we were making payments on time then had a series of events happen that set us back.  We were even late on mortgage.  Trying to catch up has been hard.  Called creditors to try to make arrangements.  Some were receptive, some were not.  Went to Consumer Credit Counseling appt. thru United Way.  They wanted a little over $1000 a month to get us in program.  Right now that's not fesible for us as we're still playing catch up on mortgage, household bills, etc.  Called our bank and a mortgage broker to try to refi our second to pay off bills but that's a no go since our scores tanked with the late pays. 
 
I would really like to try and deal with this myself instead of going thru CCC.  I am very confused as to what to do.  Should I go ahead with the CCC program even though I don't think I'll be able to make that much of a monthly payment?  Or, should I try to work it out on my own? 
 
I read on here where someone wrote to all his creditors explaining his hardship and offering X amount of dollars to them each month, which was below what his minimum monthly payments were.  Should I do this?  Any help anyone can give me would be great.  We just want to get these creditors paid off and to stop calling all day long.  We spent the money and would like to pay it back--not trying to skip out on anything. 
 
Our creditors include-
Providian/Wamu
Chase
Wells Fargo
Capital One
 
Thanks for your time.


Message Edited by cocotel on 04-19-2007 01:54 PM
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MercyMe
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

Cocotel, my heart goes out to you.  After the birth of our disabled child, who needed blood transfusions at birth and an extensive open heart surgery at two months of age, it was impossible for me to return to work.  The next four years were spent in hospitals, doctor's offices, therapies and on my knees, as the bills went way past due -- some into collections, others into charge off.  We were nearly foreclosed upon half a dozen times, and sometimes had to decide between groceries and electricity.  Our A+ credit took a dive bomb, to say the least, and it was doubtful that we'd be able to borrow a hair from a llama. 
 
Credit counselling wasn't an option, for us either, as they wanted more than we could commit to, being self employed and on a fluxuating income, expecially during the last few hurricane seasons.  When  two hurricanes , in one year, did a number on our roof, we had no choice but to seek out  subprime lenders who were willing to refinance our home in spite of our recent, past history.  I was so afraid of the terms adjustable rate (two year term) and prepayment penalty -- three year, and what sense does that make? -- but for that, we'd have lost everything.   My greatest fear was the possibility of not being able to improve the credit well enough to refinance at a fixed rate before the interest adjusted at the end of the two year period.  The trick was, of course, refinancing in spite of the subprime status of the lender, and not adding to the debt once the bills were paid off with the refinance, and focusing on repairing our credit, so that when the time came we'd be able to refi at a fixed rate, which is what we were able to do, though we had to eat the prepayment penalty. 
 
It seems a small price to have paid, now, for all of the debt we were able to resolve and not have to sell, or worse, be re-poed out of our home.  Some might well disagree that this was the best course of action, but our options were next to nil, things being as they were.  Even with the worst case scenarios, the collections and charge offs, all having been paid in full, we were able to recover within those two years.    I might add that a subprime credit card offer from First Premier helped re-establish us, too, so I don't spit at all of the fees involved.  FP was good about reporting and I could always afford a ten dollar payment. 
 
Of course I don't know what your possibilities are.  I do know that my son and his wife got themselves into  a whole lot of credit card debt, as a young couple just starting out and having to have it all, so to speak,  and after three years with a credit counselling service (United Way I think) they were getting no where, as the payments made toward their debts were so small they'd barely put a dent in their balances, though their credit scores did go up due to on time payments, just not fast enough.  My son took matters into his own hands and cancelled the credit counselling which was, on average, sending $20-25 a month to each of the creditors, against ten thousand dollars worth of debt!  He offered them all $40, in writing and enclosed checks to each, all of whom accepted his offer to include Rooms To Go, Capital One, Providian, Target, Sears, etc., etc.      In less than three year's time his credit scores have gone from the 400s to the mid 700s, across the board, and they've learned a rather valuable lesson, wouldn't you say? 
 
I hope I have offered you some sort of hope, and perhaps an idea or two on how you might recover from all of this.  Keep us all posted, okay?
 
Mercy
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cocotel
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

Hi Mercy,
 
Thanks for your reply.  I tell my husband (a lot) that as bad off as we are with our issues, there is always someone who is worse off.  Your story proves that.  After reading your post I feel ashamed for "complaining" about my situation.  That being said, I still have to decide what to do to dig ourselves out of this hole we put ourselves in.  My husband is self-employed too (a contractor) and we know all too well how the weather affects you being able to work.  We also know like you that there are really good pay weeks and really awful pay weeks.  It seems like the last few months have been filled with the bad weeks.  It just seems that we can't get ahead.
 
We did contact a mortgage broker about a refi on our second.  Our scores had dropped to right under 500 from all the late pays.  There was no one who would do the refi for us with scores that low on being self-employed, not even sub-prime.  We have to go stated income because of his self-employment.  That really bites because we have about $100,000 available equity in our house.  If we could have refi'd and taken out just $25,000 in the deal it would have made a huge difference for us.  It wouldn't have totally paid it all off but it would have been a start. 
 
I am going back and forth between the credit counseling and doing it on my own.  I don't want to not pay it back--as I said before, we spent the money and we know we owe it.  The high interest rates, late payment & over the limit fees are just snowballing.  My Providian/Wamu card has a minimum payment due of over $3000.  I do not have that right now.  If I did, it would go to pay my mortgage and light bill.  When I called them last week to try to make a payment arrangement I was told that the lowest they could take was almost $800.00 a month for the next three months.  I told them I couldn't do that and that I guess I would have to turn it over to credit counseling.  They said they would notate my account about that.  Isn't there some way to work this out on my own and get the high interest & fees taken off?  I just want this done and over with.
 
Again, I feel awful for complaining about my plight when you have seen much darker days.  I do wish you and your family the best.  Take care and I will check back here for more replies.
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Anonymous
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

I read some information on www.suzeorman.com during the past month in the resource area. There was something under the credit section with question/answers about credit counseling and different things like that. I don't know if you'll find it easily. I saved the info to my hard drive somewhere in a Suze Orman folder I think. If you can't find it on her site maybe you can email me. I'm not sure...is there a private message system through the forums? If so email me that way and I'll email an attachment to you. It had some very good info in it about credit counseling. I don't remember if it had a lot of information on trying to negotiate on your own...
 
Okay, I found my files I saved. I saved one "Managing Debt interview" about credit counseling services. Another is a partial list of "CCCs booklets and handouts". That file has a first line with this phone #.
     To learn more about CCCS and the educational opportunities available to you, call CCCS toll free at 1-800-501-SAVE.


Message Edited by terri on 04-19-2007 10:23 PM
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MercyMe
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

Boy, do I know where you're coming from!!  And please, don't feel guilty about  anything.  It hardly matters what one's crisis is, it's still a crisis and is no less painful than anyone else's lessor -- you know?  Anyway, having read your post, and spoken to my son who used credit counselling, last night, it might be a good idea for you to do that, as they will stop the phone calls, organize your debts and schedule payments  and negotiate interest and lates, which will begin to reflect positively on your record.  The thing with creditors and credit counselling services is that the creditors feel more assured that they will get their money than relying on continuing promises from we who have already fallen behind and made promises we couldn't keep -- if you know what I mean.  Perhaps you could do as my son and his wife did -- and negotiate a lesser payment with the CCA, or find another more willing to work with you, at least until you have established a regular payment history with your creditors. 
 
As for those creditors who refuse to work with you, try to send them something, with letters explaining that's the best you can do, and if they cash the checks, they've agreed to your terms.  I've known a lot of creditors who refuse to negotiate, threaten to sue, and at the last minute work out a deal.  Most creditors don't really want to sue you.  Have you considered filing for bankruptsy -- or does your place/area of business make that impossible, in order to be permitted or licensed? 
 
You sound so like us!!!  I will be thinking hard about you.
 
Mercy
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Anonymous
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

Cocotel, I have been there too.  However, if I may offer advice based on personal experience only.  You indicated that you contacted CCCS and you were not comfortable with their terms.  CCCS notations on your credit file bode as bad as a BK [and tank the scores, too].  If you can not complete the program or enter into the program with the terms that are comfortable for you, DO NOT DO IT.  Your scores will tank even more and you will be in a worse position than you are now.  The creditors are not very forgiving if a plan is set up and then not honored, for whatever reason, and the collection calls will not stop.  I am not an advocate of BK in most situations, because it kills your scores [temporarily], however, it sounds like this may be a viable option for you.  A Chapter 13 will allow you to catch up on your mortgage payments and repay your creditors with a plan that should work for you.  Once the Chapter 13 is filed, all collection activity must stop and if foreclosure proceedings have started, they must cease, too.  A trustee of the court will basically set up a repayment plan which is usually over 3-5 years, depending on your financial situation. You pay the trustee.  Whatever debts the trustee determines will not be paid are discharged when the plan is completed and that's that.  Your credit scores will definately tank, however, you can start to rebuild credit fairly soon after filing, as long as you pay the plan and continue to pay any creditors outside of the plan.  Chapter 13 is basically a reorganization of debt which allows you time to pay the creditors...Just my own personal experience.  If you chose to go the chapter 13 route, please make sure you find a good bk attorney who explains all of this to you.  Most are dumber than rocks [personal experience and opinion only].  Good luck.
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Anonymous
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

How far past due are you on the credit cards? If it's still 3 or more payments......it's time to settle those debts for $0.50 on the dollar. Maybe even less.....get that mortgage caught up asap, if you haven't already done so but settling on those card accounts won't hurt your score any more than the late pays already have. You'll be done with them in 1-3 months and also start the healing process that much sooner than going thru CCCS or Chp 13. Need help?
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cocotel
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

Some accounts I am right at 3 months now, others not quite that far.  As for settling I would be all for that.  But, the thing is I do not have the money right now to pay them.  If the credit cards would be willing to take a monthly payment of a lot less for a period of 6 months to a year plus stop the late pay fees and over the limit fees and high interest, I would be able to catch up.  Can I send them all letters asking for this?  I don't want to default but I need much lower payments for now. 
 
I do not want to do BK or CCCS.  I want to work this out myself.  I can't afford the $1000 or so a month for CCCS.  I could probably afford maybe $400 or $500  a month to creditors.
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MercyMe
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Re: Behind in credit card payments--what to do?

dazednconfused, first hand experience is always better than secondhand information.  You've given good advice.  My son was able to pull out of credit counselling, after three years, as he landed a job with a design firm that paid him well enough to enable him to pay off all of the remaining debt within a few months of leaving the CCS.  I well remember their credit reports with all of the rows of PP PP PP PP etc. etc.  (Payment Plan, of course).  Their credit did improve through the plan, as I said -- went from low 4's to low 7's,  but it was a long and slow process.  Especially that first year, when indeed the only person they could borrow from was family.  I'm sorry you went through all of that.  I trust things are much better?
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