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youdontkillmoney
Valued Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

1. No obsession with holes. It's just a metaphor. I am obsessed with paying my bills (including credit cards) on time and never missing a payment which I've succeeded for the past 23 years.

2. I never referred to interest as "evil"; I don't think it is, it has its proper place. IInterest at a basic level, by the way, is revenue to the lender and the price of money to the borrower, expressed as a percent.

 

If you think my signature was "huge" before, I added a few more lines:

 

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youdontkillmoney Stats:

 

Degrees in economics (B.A. and M.A.), and MBA

Occupation: Financial Manager and adjunct college professor of economics/statistics

 

23 years (since 1991) of credit experience without EVER being late or missing a payment.

 

Experian FICO score: 798 (as of 2014)

 

Gardening since 04/03/2014.

 

Total 17 credit cards: $210,110:

AMEX Platinum ($85,000 with $450 annual fee plus an extra $175 for up to three additional member cards for $625 total each year);  Barclay's Black Card Stainless Steel Visa card ($10,000 with $495 annual fee and the last time I use this card the reaction is "wow, your card is heavy" and I just smile); Diners Club Carte Blanche ($15,000 with $300 annual fee); AMEX Business Platinum ($3,000); Bank of America Visa Signature ($5,000); Capital One ($2,000); Citibank MasterCard ($13,000); Discover ($3,000); Capital One Quicksilver (formerly HSBC) $20,000; JCB Card ($3,000); Juniper MasterCard ($5,000); Merrill Lynch Visa Signature ($5,000); US Bank Visa ($3,500); Wells Fargo Visa ($9,000); Credit Union Visa ($7,500); Chase Freedom Visa ($8,000); Citi Diamond Preferred ($13,200)

 

Total 4 Lines of Credit: $45,200

Wells Fargo Line of Credit: $11,200 ($25 annual fee with 13.75% APR)

Credit Union: $20,000 ($0 annual fee with 15% APR)

US Bank Premier Plus Line of Credit: $5,000 ($0 annual fee with 13% APR)

Citibank Custom Line of Credit: $9,000 ($50 annual fee waived first year, and if used once a year, annual fee waived with 12.99% APR)

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youdontkillmoney
Valued Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

Dw4250,

I agree with you, thanks for sharing. I too in fact, do not hardly carry any cash, just two credit cards. Right now I just have $1.29 in loose change and an AMEX and Visa.

 

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youdontkillmoney Stats:

 

23 years (since 1991) of credit experience without EVER being late or missing a payment.

 

Experian FICO score: 798 (as of 2014)

 

Gardening since 04/03/2014.

 

Total 17 credit cards: $210,110:

AMEX Platinum ($85,000 with $450 annual fee plus an extra $175 for up to three additional member cards for $625 total each year);  Barclay's Black Card Stainless Steel Visa card ($10,000 with $495 annual fee and the last time I use this card the reaction is "wow, your card is heavy" and I just smile); Diners Club Carte Blanche ($15,000 with $300 annual fee); AMEX Business Platinum ($3,000); Bank of America Visa Signature ($5,000); Capital One ($2,000); Citibank MasterCard ($13,000); Discover ($3,000); Capital One Quicksilver (formerly HSBC) $20,000; JCB Card ($3,000); Juniper MasterCard ($5,000); Merrill Lynch Visa Signature ($5,000); US Bank Visa ($3,500); Wells Fargo Visa ($9,000); Credit Union Visa ($7,500); Chase Freedom Visa ($8,000); Citi Diamond Preferred ($13,200)

 

Total 4 Lines of Credit: $45,200

Wells Fargo Line of Credit: $11,200 ($25 annual fee with 13.75% APR)

Credit Union: $20,000 ($0 annual fee with 15% APR)

US Bank Premier Plus Line of Credit: $5,000 ($0 annual fee with 13% APR)

Citibank Custom Line of Credit: $9,000 ($50 annual fee waived first year, and if used once a year, annual fee waived with 12.99% APR)

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Stralem
Established Contributor

Re: Cash is king!


@youdontkillmoney wrote:

1. No obsession with holes. It's just a metaphor. I am obsessed with paying my bills (including credit cards) on time and never missing a payment which I've succeeded for the past 23 years.


That's OK. I don't see a need to be obsessive about paying your bills on time, though. That should come as naturally as breathing.

 

Well... For most responsible adults, anyway.


@youdontkillmoney wrote:

2. I never referred to interest as "evil"; I don't think it is, it has its proper place. IInterest at a basic level, by the way, is revenue to the lender and the price of money to the borrower, expressed as a percent.


That was my point. Interest is simply payment for using someone else's cash and absolutely has its place. I've just always been confused by the visceral loathing that people have for it. Likewise with debt in general: too much of it is obviously bad, but it too has its place. And the whole damn global economy of which we are all a part of runs on it.


@youdontkillmoney wrote:

If you think my signature was "huge" before, I added a few more lines:


Stahp iiiiit...


I Have Way Too Many of These.

American Express - No CLI or Appreciation Gift in 7 Years

Citibank - Handing Out Credit Limits Like Candy

Chase - Surprisingly, Still Tolerating My Credit-Chasing Ways

Bank of America - My Newest Bae.

Everyone Else.
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axledobe
Frequent Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

With utmost respect OP, there's such thing called credibility.  When I create a post, it's for one of three reasons.  One is to share information that may help others.  The second, to ask a question or questions to rely on the wealth of information and professionalism here to help me.  Lastly, it's to congratulate someone on a job well done be it an approval for a card they've always wanted or for simply bettering their financial situation to set them up for success in the future.  To be perfectly blunt, I see none of that here.  In fact, I think the way your post was worded and the terminology therein may have reduced if not altogether devoured your credibility out of the gate.  No offense, OP, but my guess is you may have had an old username that got called out in the recent past and based on your 'registration' date, you're at it again.  I could be wrong and, if so, I apologize in advance.  But if that is the case, nice try. 

 

Friendly - I tried to be as friendly as possible but wanted to be blunt

Supportive - there's nothing here to support

Respectful - I was as respectful as I could possibly be to get my point across Smiley Happy

 

Good day.

 

 


FICO SCORES: TU 769; EX 790; EQ 790 ***Gardening indefinitely***



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Stralem
Established Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

There's like a 7 in 4 chance that this guy is a troll, granted, but at least he's got people talking.

I Have Way Too Many of These.

American Express - No CLI or Appreciation Gift in 7 Years

Citibank - Handing Out Credit Limits Like Candy

Chase - Surprisingly, Still Tolerating My Credit-Chasing Ways

Bank of America - My Newest Bae.

Everyone Else.
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youdontkillmoney
Valued Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

Hi all, if you're referring to me, youdontkillmoney, I am new. Just learning from everyone else as well. I also think I have some knowledge/experience to share based on my credit performance.

 

Anyway, under a different link:

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/SmorgasBoard/What-software-do-you-use-to-track-your-credit-cards-and...

 

I’m looking for better ways of tracking bills such as credit card bills so as to pay on time, etc. which is important for maintainig good FICOs. Chime in when you all get a chance.

 

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youdontkillmoney Stats:

 

23 years (since 1991) of credit experience without EVER being late or missing a payment.

 

Experian FICO score: 798 (as of 2014)

 

Gardening since 04/03/2014.

 

Total 17 credit cards: $210,110:

AMEX Platinum ($85,000 with $450 annual fee plus an extra $175 for up to three additional member cards for $625 total each year);  Barclay's Black Card Stainless Steel Visa card ($10,000 with $495 annual fee and the last time I use this card the reaction is "wow, your card is heavy" and I just smile); Diners Club Carte Blanche ($15,000 with $300 annual fee); AMEX Business Platinum ($3,000); Bank of America Visa Signature ($5,000); Capital One ($2,000); Citibank MasterCard ($13,000); Discover ($3,000); Capital One Quicksilver (formerly HSBC) $20,000; JCB Card ($3,000); Juniper MasterCard ($5,000); Merrill Lynch Visa Signature ($5,000); US Bank Visa ($3,500); Wells Fargo Visa ($9,000); Credit Union Visa ($7,500); Chase Freedom Visa ($8,000); Citi Diamond Preferred ($13,200)

 

Total 4 Lines of Credit: $45,200

Wells Fargo Line of Credit: $11,200 ($25 annual fee with 13.75% APR)

Credit Union: $20,000 ($0 annual fee with 15% APR)

US Bank Premier Plus Line of Credit: $5,000 ($0 annual fee with 13% APR)

Citibank Custom Line of Credit: $9,000 ($50 annual fee waived first year, and if used once a year, annual fee waived with 12.99% APR)

 

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kroberts67
Established Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

I work for a premium finance company and so financing/interest keeps my job secure!  There are those who cannot afford to pay things in full up front (I'm talking biz insurance) and must finance.  Financing cars, homes, etc.  If you can manage to pay cash for everything that is wonderful for you, but remember there are jobs out there, mom & pop businesses, college grads etc etc etc that wouldn't exist without financing.

FICO: EQ 814 | TU 847 | EX ? (Started in the low 500's... you can do it!)

Amex BCE $25000, Amex AP $20000, SFFCU Visa $15000 + LOC $5000, USAA Amex $6000, USAA MC $7000, Cap1 $9500, Freedom $12000, Slate $500, Barclays "RIP" SM $11500, USBank Cash+ $12500, Citi Diamond $11200, Citi Double Cash $12000, Care Credit $13500k.
My Credit Repair Journey
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Anonymous
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Re: Cash is king!


@Stralem wrote:

There's like a 7 in 4 chance that this guy is a troll, granted, but at least he's got people talking.


My favorite part is the Barclay's Black Card in the [humongous] sig. Good on ya!

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Anonymous
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Re: Cash is king!

I don't know reasons for OP's initial post... 

 

I'll bring this discussion to a broader stand point. OP, since you are (were) in business school you must know that these gigantic interpricese are built based on finance... The entire POINT of stocks and bonds and whatnot is pretty much leverage for investment (i.e. borrowed money)... without these the only mega coporation we'll have is probably the government. 

 

Now, I am not dissagreeing with being responsible with credit (PIF avoding interest), I am dissagreeing with the blanket statement your title made. 

 

Let's sum it up by saying credit is a tool, a tool is not necessary evil or good; a gun is a tool, the man using it determine it is used for good or evil

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Jasir
Frequent Contributor

Re: Cash is king!

Wow. I don't think I've ever seen so many people pounce on a simple, clear and valid post before. The OP is right: most American's are swimming in debt and simply do not know how to handle fiscal responsibility. The lenders bank on this limited educated consumer to make money. If every card holder PIF the creditor would only make money by charging the merchant, and the merchant would in turn raise their prices to cover the costs (already widely in practice).

 

How people so the OP's post as a rant or his beautiful and applicable metaphors about holes creepy is beyond me. No, its not. I understand. People feel accosted because they are so gung-ho about credit and feel the post is an dirrect affront on them.

 

Cash is, even in this age, more revered than credit. Sure, the givernment and big business has tried to make it near impossible to do things without credit (much like an SSN), but I have yet to meet a person who would rather you pay with credit than cash.



Amex BCE: $2600 - Bank of America Cash Rewards: $4800 - Barclaycard Rewards: Jefferson Collections - Capital One Quicksilver: CO - Chase Freedom: C0 - Merrick Bank: $1400 -
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