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I have a past due medical bill of $1200 (service date 1/26/2018). Due to multiple confusions with my insurance company this remained unpaid.
In July 2020, it was sent to Pendrick Capital Partners. They reported to credit agencies and my score dropped by 50 point in all agencies. Then it was removed from my credit report on November, 2020. My scores went up. I had no clue since I didn't check my credit report until last week.
Today (12/7), I received a letter from Commonwealth Financial Systems that they have the account now. I have 30 days to dispute. Also, I can pay at 25% discount ($913). I need help with following -
1. I want to pay off and save my credit history. What is the best action?
2. What should I do to prevent this collection from appearing in my credit report?
3. I found the in creditKarma's website -
"Regardless of when your unpaid bills are turned over to a collections agency, the three major consumer credit bureaus give you a six-month grace period. That means unpaid medical bills won’t show up in your credit history until you’re at least 180 days late. So, theoretically, even after your past-due medical bills are sent to collections, with the 180-day rule you might be able to pay them before they show up on your credit reports."
When this 180 day rule starts? The day I get notice (which is today in my case)? The day first collection came (July, 2020)? or some other date?
Looking forward to any kind suggestion..
Thanks!
The "rule" is based, not on statute or regulation, but rather upon a settlement agreement from 2015 between the big-3 CRAs and the offices of the AG of several states. In that settlement agreement, there were two major issues agreed upon by the CRA related to medical collections.
First, even if a debt collector reports a medical collection to a CRA, the CRA will defer including it in any consumer credit report until the debt has become more than 180 days delinquent. The period of delinquency begins on the date of first delinquency, which is the date the payment was initially due but became late.
Second, even if a collection does ultimately become reported and exceeds the 180-day period since initial delinquency, if it is shown that the debt was ultimately paid via the medical insuror, then the CRA will remove the collection.
You thus have the option either of (a) paying before it hits 180 days since initial date of delinquency, and thus impose agreement provision one, or (b) you can then let it post after it reaches the 180-day threshold, and rely upon ultimate payment of the debt by the medical insuror, at which point it will be removed from your credit report per agreement provision two.
However, if it passes the 180-day threshold and you then pay yourself, neither agreement provision will apply, and you would need a voluntry PFD agreement from the debt collector to assure removal upon or after payment.
How sure are you that it will ultimately be paid by your medical insuror, and even if it is, are you willing to suffer a brief period of credit report inclusion if reported after the 180-day period until the time it is ultimately paid?
Thanks @RobertEG for your great explanation.
How sure are you that it will ultimately be paid by your medical insuror, and even if it is, are you willing to suffer a brief period of credit report inclusion if reported after the 180-day period until the time it is ultimately paid?
I am not very sure based on my experience so far. The effort (and associated frustration) isn't worth my time. I want to avoid any risk since I am planning a refinance while the rates are low. I would rather pay it and save my credit history. So, what is my safest bet?
For 180 day rule, I am not sure when did the counter start. The service date of the medical procedure was 01/26/2018. If the clock starts with the hospital's delinquency, I don't know that date and I think I am beyond 180 days. If the counter starts with collection agency then I am within 180 days.
Should I pursue PFD? It is not in my credit report right now. As mentioned in my initial post, It was there for couple of months and removed with collection agency change. Don't know why did it happen. So, in my case it will be Pay For Not Reporting (instead of Deletion). Is it possible? If it is my best choice then how do I puesue that?
Appreaciate any kind suggestions or previous experiences..
The specific portions of the settlement agreement that pertain to medical debt, titled as the Assurance of Voluntary Compliance/Assurance of Voluntary Discontinuance, dated May 20, 2015, is reproduced below, and is the binding definition of the 180-day delay period.
It clearly defines the begin date as the date of first delinquency
Thus, the issue becomes determination of what is the date of first delinquency for the debt.
That depends upon what you signed when treatment was given, which then defines when payment was due.
If you wish to avoid credit reporting entirely, you can try calling and attempting to get a PFD agreement, but that may be a bit risky, as it could cause immediate review of your account, with immediate reporting of their collection as a tool to put collection pressure on you....
“3. Medical Collections
1. To allow appropriate time for insurance remediation and clarity on what a
consumer's individual payment obligation is for a medical account, the CRAs
shall prevent the reporting and display of medical debt identified and
furnished by Collection Furnishers when the date of the first delinquency is
less than one hundred and eighty (180) days prior to the date that the account
is reported to the CRAs.
2. The CRAs shall instruct Collection Furnishers on the use of the Metro 2
special comment codes of "BP" for debt identified as "paid by insurance" and
"AB" for debt identified as "being paid through insurance" and instruct
Collection Furnishers to remove or suppress medical accounts reported as
"paid by insurance" or "being paid through insurance" if such accounts were
in fact paid in full by the consumer's insurance carrier and were not the
obligation of the consumer.
3. The CRAs shall implement a process designed to effectively remove or
suppress known medical collections furnished by Collection Furnishers from
files within the CRAs' respective credit reporting databases when such debt is
reported either as having been paid in full by insurance or as being paid
through insurance.”
Honestly i would just pay it. If you cant afford a pay in full situation then make an arrangement. You can def negotiate or try to anyway to get the price lower maybe. But just get it paid so it doesnt effect your reports. I had a surprise medical bill for $700 from a hospital visit that was 3 years old. I had no clue the bill even existed until I got a collections notice from EOS. It said i had 30 days to resolve it before it hit my credit report. I called them right away and paid it and it never went on my reports. I think i negotiated it down to like 500 ish. But i got it resolved immediately and im glad i did.
Well.. unfortunately, The collection agency reported to CRA last night. I can see it in Experian's site and credit.com. My fico isn't updated yet.
So, I think PFD is my best action plan now. Based on my research in older threads in this forum, Commonwealth Financial Systems is open to PFD and sends agreement letter over email. Others have reported that they act fast (within a week or so of payment). I am hopeful.
Question - Is electronic communication of/safe for PFD agreement? I have little urgency due to a upcomig refinance. Trying avoid delays of snail mail.
Thanks!
Until they actually receive and deposit any payment from you based on an agreement reached, it is only an informal negotiation.
Yes, electronic conduct of negotiations is perfectly fine.....
I contacted Commonwealth Financial Systems today.
They emailed me a signed letter (in PDF) to pay $700 ($500 discount) today by 5PM EST. It stated that - Upon clearance of funds, this account will be closed and the three major credit bureaus will be notified to delete the above referenced account as soon as possible.
I made the payment. The deletion request will be sent to all 3 agencies with this week's batch later this week. Hopfully, this wiil be over soon. Appreciate all kind help and responses.
Thanks!
On 12/12 - Collection is removed from Experian. TU and EQ should update in few days. Commonwealth is prompt in their action and very easy to deal with.
@ruhul wrote:On 12/12 - Collection is removed from Experian. TU and EQ should update in few days. Commonwealth is prompt in their action and very easy to deal with.
Awesome and congrats!