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@Anonymous wrote:
@Scupra wrote:
You are correct in saying that the reported on time payment is what we want to show on our reports. Unfortunately FICO prefers that you carry a balance less than 9% one ONE card while ALL others report 0% util. This is to optimize your FICO score.
This link has a good explanation:
http://www.bankrate.com/finance/credit-cards/tiny-card-balance-helps-credit-score.aspx
The other credible resource I would lead you to is the one you're onTake a look around and you will see plenty advice to report a small balance. I'm not saying you need to pay interest, just have to play the reporting game! I have also let a small balance report one month and not the next month and can confirm it makes a score impact. No offense taken, we all learn new things every day!
Im confused as to how you can be at 1-9% AND avoid interest. MY due dates are all a few days before the statement closes. In order to avoid interest I would need to PIF before the due date. So that would mean i would need to used the card sometime between the due date and when the statement cuts to show a balance to the CRA. That seems like a very tight window to hit unless i am misunderstanding something in the process.
Use the grace period to your advantage
@Scupra wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@Scupra wrote:
You are correct in saying that the reported on time payment is what we want to show on our reports. Unfortunately FICO prefers that you carry a balance less than 9% one ONE card while ALL others report 0% util. This is to optimize your FICO score.
This link has a good explanation:
http://www.bankrate.com/finance/credit-cards/tiny-card-balance-helps-credit-score.aspx
The other credible resource I would lead you to is the one you're onTake a look around and you will see plenty advice to report a small balance. I'm not saying you need to pay interest, just have to play the reporting game! I have also let a small balance report one month and not the next month and can confirm it makes a score impact. No offense taken, we all learn new things every day!
Im confused as to how you can be at 1-9% AND avoid interest. MY due dates are all a few days before the statement closes. In order to avoid interest I would need to PIF before the due date. So that would mean i would need to used the card sometime between the due date and when the statement cuts to show a balance to the CRA. That seems like a very tight window to hit unless i am misunderstanding something in the process.
Use the grace period to your advantage
If i have a $1000 limit and want to have 9% report I would have to pay down all but $90 prior to the due date. Wouldn't that mean that $90 will be susceptible to interest?
I got it. I thought the grace period ended once the billing cycle ended. That comes from the fact that i never PIF and, therefore, never get the benefit of the actual grace period.
@lg8302ch wrote:...and OP if all this does not convince you....do the test yourself.
There is a very interesting test you can do which will give you a nice idea what the article describes. If you have 5 accounts for example report all with 0 balance, next month report all with 1$ balance on each and then report 4 with 0 balance and 1 with 5$
I can guarantee you the result will be a nice surprise
....or maybe as a shocking result as it was for me..lol
Well I guess I'll have to try your little test. I got a Barclays NFL card in late March primarily to take advantage of the 15 month 0% BT. I did a $3780 BT to payoff a Prosper 10.89% APR loan, figuring with 0% interest I can pay it off in 15 month rather than the 27 months of remaining payments. The NFL card statement hit in late April with a 64% util, and my scores took an 18 pt hit. To compensate I PIF'd 5 other accounts before statement so they'd report a $0 balance, the only accounts out of 7 reporting a balance are NFL & Lowes with a $424 balance w/0% deferred interestuntil Sept. The last of the 0% bal will report 5/13, so I'll see what the score looks like then.The other part of the equation is I'm pre-qualifying for a USDA Direct mortgage and any account reporting a balance will result in the min payment being counted in my DTI ratio. But next month I'll let a couple accounts report a small balance, a $10-15 min payment isn't going to affect my DTI that much.
My overall util is 15% and I thought it was the overall util rate that was most important in the scoring models, now I know if you let any single account go over 30% util it makes the FICO computer angry with you. That doesn't seem right, in this era of competitiveness among CCCs with 0% intro APR and 0% BT offers very common it's not unreasonable for folks to take advantage of them to pay down debt more quickly. 5 accounts reporting 0 bal and 15% overall util should show that I'm not on a spending spree and piling on new debt.
@DaveInAZ wrote:
@lg8302ch wrote:...and OP if all this does not convince you....do the test yourself.
There is a very interesting test you can do which will give you a nice idea what the article describes. If you have 5 accounts for example report all with 0 balance, next month report all with 1$ balance on each and then report 4 with 0 balance and 1 with 5$
I can guarantee you the result will be a nice surprise
....or maybe as a shocking result as it was for me..lol
Well I guess I'll have to try your little test. I got a Barclays NFL card in late March primarily to take advantage of the 15 month 0% BT. I did a $3780 BT to payoff a Prosper 10.89% APR loan, figuring with 0% interest I can pay it off in 15 month rather than the 27 months of remaining payments. The NFL card statement hit in late April with a 64% util, and my scores took an 18 pt hit. To compensate I PIF'd 5 other accounts before statement so they'd report a $0 balance, the only accounts out of 7 reporting a balance are NFL & Lowes with a $424 balance w/0% deferred interestuntil Sept. The last of the 0% bal will report 5/13, so I'll see what the score looks like then.The other part of the equation is I'm pre-qualifying for a USDA Direct mortgage and any account reporting a balance will result in the min payment being counted in my DTI ratio. But next month I'll let a couple accounts report a small balance, a $10-15 min payment isn't going to affect my DTI that much.
My overall util is 15% and I thought it was the overall util rate that was most important in the scoring models, now I know if you let any single account go over 30% util it makes the FICO computer angry with you.
That doesn't seem right, in this era of competitiveness among CCCs with 0% intro APR and 0% BT offers very common it's not unreasonable for folks to take advantage of them to pay down debt more quickly. 5 accounts reporting 0 bal and 15% overall util should show that I'm not on a spending spree and piling on new debt.
While it's true that overall utilization carries more weight individual account utilization is also scored along with how many accounts are reporting a balance at the same time.
@MarineVietVet wrote:While it's true that overall utilization carries more weight individual account utilization is also scored along with how many accounts are reporting a balance at the same time.
@I used to let all my accounts report a balance, thinking PIF before due date to avoid any CC interest while maximizing my "float" of free $$$$ was the best financial game plan. But then I noticed in the Fico report 'Factors adversely affecting your score' I'd sometimes see the message "Too many accounts with balances", so I started PIF before statement a couple of the older CCs with no rewards and little usage. So with my current situation with 7 credit card accounts (5 VS/MC, 2 store cards) + 1 car loan, the NFL & Lowes will report balances as long ad the 0% interest lasts, along with my car loan (4 months into 60 mo. @ 1.99%) what would be optimal for my CS? Allow 1 or 2 more CCs report a small balance, say under $100?
To optimize your FICO score you want one card to report less than 10% util and all other cards at 0% util. In your case with some 0% offers, letting only 2 cards report a balance will be better than 3-7 reporting a balance.