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I posted this on the topic in Rebuilding Your Credit also but this has more information so sorry in advance if I posted in the wrong place or if you respond twice.
With all the news of the National Arbitration Forum ceasing their arbitration work, I have a question about a so called award.
A couple weeks ago I got some letter from Rubenstein, Cogan, & Revesman, P.C., stating that I owe for an old Worldwide Asset Purchasing assignee to Citibank debt that is past SOL, I sent them a DV letter and they sent me back something from the National Arbitration Forum saying that they claim that I entered into some arbitration agreement in April 2007 which I don't recall doing and that Worldwide Asset Purchasing won an award of over 4k and this is all the proof that they sent to me.
I don't recall seeing any of this arbitration stuff and it still doesn't tell me if its now past SOL and how they came up with this outrageous amount that I supposedly owe them.
What does this mean with this so called award from NAF and with all the legal situation that NAF is in now does this now mean this award is no longer valid? This letter from NAF was dated 9/29/08 and the debt collection agency just sent me this "proof letter" on July 16th which is a couple days before the NAF settlement agreement. Do I now need a lawyer? Should I contact or send something to my Attorney General's office?
@Anonymous wrote:I posted this on the topic in Rebuilding Your Credit also but this has more information so sorry in advance if I posted in the wrong place or if you respond twice.
With all the news of the National Arbitration Forum ceasing their arbitration work, I have a question about a so called award.
A couple weeks ago I got some letter from Rubenstein, Cogan, & Revesman, P.C., stating that I owe for an old Worldwide Asset Purchasing assignee to Citibank debt that is past SOL, I sent them a DV letter and they sent me back something from the National Arbitration Forum saying that they claim that I entered into some arbitration agreement in April 2007 which I don't recall doing and that Worldwide Asset Purchasing won an award of over 4k and this is all the proof that they sent to me.
I don't recall seeing any of this arbitration stuff and it still doesn't tell me if its now past SOL and how they came up with this outrageous amount that I supposedly owe them.
What does this mean with this so called award from NAF and with all the legal situation that NAF is in now does this now mean this award is no longer valid? This letter from NAF was dated 9/29/08 and the debt collection agency just sent me this "proof letter" on July 16th which is a couple days before the NAF settlement agreement. Do I now need a lawyer? Should I contact or send something to my Attorney General's office?
If there is a valid arbitration award, giving the award binding effect is pretty simple. The creditor simply files a motion in the appropriate court to confirm the award and the court is obligated to confirm the award and enter a money judgment.
When the creditor files their motion, you will be served. Only upon timely motion of the debtor and for one or more of the extremely few reasons allowed by statute can the court do anything but confirm the arbitration award and reduce it to money judgment. The law provides for the presumption of validity of an arbitration award.
I would try to get a copy of the arbitration award from the creditor and verify that you a) were under a binding arbitration agreement and b) that the arbitration hearing was conducted appropriately.
That said, the National Arbitration Forum will cease to exist in its current form sometime this month, if it hasn't done so already. It appears that the NAF fraudulently entered awards in numerous cases and also was basically a puppet of the collection industry. Fraud is one of the few reasons allowed by statute for a judge to refuse to reduce an arbitration award to judgment. You should have a very good chance of convincing any court (in Minnesota a 100% chance) that any award by the NAF is, if not totally lacking in impartiality, fraudulent.
Unless your intention is to pay this debt, you would probably be better off consulting local counsel. If you do go it on your own, you'll need to read up on the Federal Arbitration Act and your state law on arbitration.
It is imperative to remember that if the creditor moves a court for enforcement of an arbitration award you must appear or risk a judgment against you for what otherwise would be an issue you could have easily escaped from.
@Underh20 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:I posted this on the topic in Rebuilding Your Credit also but this has more information so sorry in advance if I posted in the wrong place or if you respond twice.
With all the news of the National Arbitration Forum ceasing their arbitration work, I have a question about a so called award.
A couple weeks ago I got some letter from Rubenstein, Cogan, & Revesman, P.C., stating that I owe for an old Worldwide Asset Purchasing assignee to Citibank debt that is past SOL, I sent them a DV letter and they sent me back something from the National Arbitration Forum saying that they claim that I entered into some arbitration agreement in April 2007 which I don't recall doing and that Worldwide Asset Purchasing won an award of over 4k and this is all the proof that they sent to me.
I don't recall seeing any of this arbitration stuff and it still doesn't tell me if its now past SOL and how they came up with this outrageous amount that I supposedly owe them.
What does this mean with this so called award from NAF and with all the legal situation that NAF is in now does this now mean this award is no longer valid? This letter from NAF was dated 9/29/08 and the debt collection agency just sent me this "proof letter" on July 16th which is a couple days before the NAF settlement agreement. Do I now need a lawyer? Should I contact or send something to my Attorney General's office?
If there is a valid arbitration award, giving the award binding effect is pretty simple. The creditor simply files a motion in the appropriate court to confirm the award and the court is obligated to confirm the award and enter a money judgment.
When the creditor files their motion, you will be served. Only upon timely motion of the debtor and for one or more of the extremely few reasons allowed by statute can the court do anything but confirm the arbitration award and reduce it to money judgment. The law provides for the presumption of validity of an arbitration award.
I would try to get a copy of the arbitration award from the creditor and verify that you a) were under a binding arbitration agreement and b) that the arbitration hearing was conducted appropriately.
That said, the National Arbitration Forum will cease to exist in its current form sometime this month, if it hasn't done so already. It appears that the NAF fraudulently entered awards in numerous cases and also was basically a puppet of the collection industry. Fraud is one of the few reasons allowed by statute for a judge to refuse to reduce an arbitration award to judgment. You should have a very good chance of convincing any court (in Minnesota a 100% chance) that any award by the NAF is, if not totally lacking in impartiality, fraudulent.
Unless your intention is to pay this debt, you would probably be better off consulting local counsel. If you do go it on your own, you'll need to read up on the Federal Arbitration Act and your state law on arbitration.
It is imperative to remember that if the creditor moves a court for enforcement of an arbitration award you must appear or risk a judgment against you for what otherwise would be an issue you could have easily escaped from.
Message Edited by Underh20 on 07-21-2009 01:30 AMMessage Edited by Underh20 on 07-21-2009 01:40 AM
Sorry for the late response! Had internet issues.
I have not been sent a summons to appear in court from my State just this letter from the creditor claiming that the award from NAF had been won. So as of right now, technically no award has been won? I will write them a reply letter and send a copy of it along with a complaint to the MD AG's office. Thanks for your help!
@Anonymous wrote:
@Underh20 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:I posted this on the topic in Rebuilding Your Credit also but this has more information so sorry in advance if I posted in the wrong place or if you respond twice.
With all the news of the National Arbitration Forum ceasing their arbitration work, I have a question about a so called award.
A couple weeks ago I got some letter from Rubenstein, Cogan, & Revesman, P.C., stating that I owe for an old Worldwide Asset Purchasing assignee to Citibank debt that is past SOL, I sent them a DV letter and they sent me back something from the National Arbitration Forum saying that they claim that I entered into some arbitration agreement in April 2007 which I don't recall doing and that Worldwide Asset Purchasing won an award of over 4k and this is all the proof that they sent to me.
I don't recall seeing any of this arbitration stuff and it still doesn't tell me if its now past SOL and how they came up with this outrageous amount that I supposedly owe them.
What does this mean with this so called award from NAF and with all the legal situation that NAF is in now does this now mean this award is no longer valid? This letter from NAF was dated 9/29/08 and the debt collection agency just sent me this "proof letter" on July 16th which is a couple days before the NAF settlement agreement. Do I now need a lawyer? Should I contact or send something to my Attorney General's office?
If there is a valid arbitration award, giving the award binding effect is pretty simple. The creditor simply files a motion in the appropriate court to confirm the award and the court is obligated to confirm the award and enter a money judgment.
When the creditor files their motion, you will be served. Only upon timely motion of the debtor and for one or more of the extremely few reasons allowed by statute can the court do anything but confirm the arbitration award and reduce it to money judgment. The law provides for the presumption of validity of an arbitration award.
I would try to get a copy of the arbitration award from the creditor and verify that you a) were under a binding arbitration agreement and b) that the arbitration hearing was conducted appropriately.
That said, the National Arbitration Forum will cease to exist in its current form sometime this month, if it hasn't done so already. It appears that the NAF fraudulently entered awards in numerous cases and also was basically a puppet of the collection industry. Fraud is one of the few reasons allowed by statute for a judge to refuse to reduce an arbitration award to judgment. You should have a very good chance of convincing any court (in Minnesota a 100% chance) that any award by the NAF is, if not totally lacking in impartiality, fraudulent.
Unless your intention is to pay this debt, you would probably be better off consulting local counsel. If you do go it on your own, you'll need to read up on the Federal Arbitration Act and your state law on arbitration.
It is imperative to remember that if the creditor moves a court for enforcement of an arbitration award you must appear or risk a judgment against you for what otherwise would be an issue you could have easily escaped from.
Message Edited by Underh20 on 07-21-2009 01:30 AMMessage Edited by Underh20 on 07-21-2009 01:40 AM
Sorry for the late response! Had internet issues.
I have not been sent a summons to appear in court from my State just this letter from the creditor claiming that the award from NAF had been won. So as of right now, technically no award has been won? I will write them a reply letter and send a copy of it along with a complaint to the MD AG's office. Thanks for your help!
There probably is an arbitration award, but it probably hasn't been confirmed and entered into a money judgment by a court. Probably. Only probably. I wouldn't put it past any creditor that utilizes NAF to use sewer service.
For the time being, a lot depends on exactly what your intentions are regarding the debt. Is it something you owe? Is it something they can actually force you to pay? When is the date of first delinquency? Can you obtain a copy of the award?
Depending on your state, there is a time limit on having an award reduced to a money judgment. If they haven't done so already and are still within your state's time frame, perhaps they will try for a judgment. If and when they do that, you probably have a decent chance at getting any judge to refuse a judgment based on an NAF award. If they don't try for a judgment or are time barred, you are pretty much safe.
Personally -- and others might have better advice on this aspect --- I wouldn't cause waves until I knew the specifics of the award and the dates and can determine what options the creditor has still available to them.