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Differing scores?

I just realized the fico scores on Amex and NFCU that they give you that are supposedly fico 8's & 9's are wrong, and by a lot. NFCU says EQ Fico 9 is 759 vs My fico 770. Updated 7/3 & 7/9 respectively. Amex gives EX Fico 8 at 736 vs My fico 813. Updated 7/10 & 7/9 respectively. If these are suppose to be the exact same,  why is there such a difference?

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Taurus22
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This is a good question, it's something I've wondered about myself.  Of all my cards, almost all of them provide my FICO8 or FICO 9 score....(and a couple of Vantage scores, which I don't care about.) These often not only differ from my true FICO scores, but they usually differ amongst each other as well. My FICO 8 is currently 776 according to one lender, but currently 781 with another lender.

 

Looking forward to seeing the responses from the experts here....

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@Anonymous wrote:

I just realized the fico scores on Amex and NFCU that they give you that are supposedly fico 8's & 9's are wrong, and by a lot. NFCU says EQ Fico 9 is 759 vs My fico 770. Updated 7/3 & 7/9 respectively. Amex gives EX Fico 8 at 736 vs My fico 813. Updated 7/10 & 7/9 respectively. If these are suppose to be the exact same,  why is there such a difference?


There was talk re NFCU specifically that the data provider they pulled from had issues and thus their reported FICO9 scores were lower than MF's FICO9.  

Regarding others - Unless you've pulled a report, the MF score I've noticed can be off from the "live" score, just a bit, because of how it only pulls a new score when it gets notified of certain changes, although 80 points seems like a pretty big margin.  Could also be a bad data feed on Amex's side.  

EDIT: what does Experian's stuff say? Don't they give once-a-month FICO8 for free? (i subscribe to it and MF, so I can't recall what they give for free)

 

Is it *ALWAYS* inconsistent, or thats just the first time you've noticed it?

 

And @Taurus22 a 5-point gap isn't something i'd worry about.  You can fart and get a five point quick shift.  A payment posts here, a balance posts there, the score can change on a dime by small increments.   

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I don't know on experian as I haven't hopped on them direct for quite a few years. 

 

And this is the first time I noticed the difference as I hadn't looked before. It just caught my attention yesterday and had me wondering if what the credit card companies saw was that much worse that what was truly there and if it affected their decisions.

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@Anonymous wrote:

I don't know on experian as I haven't hopped on them direct for quite a few years. 

 

And this is the first time I noticed the difference as I hadn't looked before. It just caught my attention yesterday and had me wondering if what the credit card companies saw was that much worse that what was truly there and if it affected their decisions.


Well go hop on exp's free offering. They'll give you live EX FICO8 scores.  That'll give you a good idea who is right.

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Experian has 813 for me.

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@Anonymous wrote:

Experian has 813 for me.


Seems that AMEX is pulling a bad score. 

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Taurus22
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This is a pretty consistent "inconsistency" actually. I see it very often among the scores my CC lenders offer.

 

@Anonymous  Normally, I would agree with your statement regarding 5 pts not being a huge deal, but I just got my auto insurance policy renewal which went up $100 from my normal rates. Have been dealing with this just today. Called my insurance agent and they claimed that they pull credit every 3 years to access auto rates and credit is factored into the algorithm. She stated my credit was down from 3 years ago, (which is impossible, my credit is substancially higher) and the difference she was seeing was 6 pts lower than when it was pulled 3 years ago. So I am receiving a $100 increase in my auto premium for having a 776 score, as opposed to what they claim was a 782 three years ago.....with a totally clean driving record for 15 years, no changes.

 

So, being penalized for having a 776 score.....I mean what do the insurance companies want exactly? Not everyone is fortunate enough to have 850 scores and it isn't like my score dropped to 700 or anything. Makes me wonder how it applies to those who have an 825 score, then 3 years later an 810. Do their rates get raised too? 

 

So I think all platforms should be held acountable for accuracy, and the scores should not have any fluctuations across those platforms.  It does matter.

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@Taurus22 wrote:

This is a pretty consistent "inconsistency" actually. I see it very often among the scores my CC lenders offer.

 

@Anonymous  Normally, I would agree with your statement regarding 5 pts not being a huge deal, but I just got my auto insurance policy renewal which went up $100 from my normal rates. Have been dealing with this just today. Called my insurance agent and they claimed that they pull credit every 3 years to access auto rates and credit is factored into the algorithm. She stated my credit was down from 3 years ago, (which is impossible, my credit is substancially higher) and the difference she was seeing was 6 pts lower than when it was pulled 3 years ago. So I am receiving a $100 increase in my auto premium for having a 776 score, as opposed to what they claim was a 782 three years ago.....with a totally clean driving record for 15 years, no changes.

 

So, being penalized for having a 776 score.....I mean what do the insurance companies want exactly? Not everyone is fortunate enough to have 850 scores and it isn't like my score dropped to 700 or anything. Makes me wonder how it applies to those who have an 825 score, then 3 years later an 810. Do their rates get raised too? 

 

So I think all platforms should be held acountable for accuracy, and the scores should not have any fluctuations across those platforms.  It does matter.


That's an excuse.  Find a new carrier.  (yes, easier said than done if you have loyalty, but serioulsy, 782 vs 776 = +100$ premium? there's no way)

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Taurus22
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@Anonymous  That's exactly what I said.....the agent noted that insurance companies have been paying out a lot for the storm damage recently which could be the reason for the increases. So those of us with flawless driving records and good credit (the primary criteria for their rates, evidently) are suffering the burden because the poor insurance companies got smacked around by mother nature. I haven't made any claims on my policy, why should I be negatively affected? And her excuse was....my credit score dropped a couple points.

 

That's why I was particularly interested in this topic. I would really like to know why there are fluctuations in reported credit scores among lenders who use the same FICO score (supposedly). And why minor drops in credit score would affect insurance rates so drastically.

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