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Looks like you've received a nice 4 year bonus to your AoOA and AAoA as a result of it sticking around. With a little luck hopefully it will remain on your report, at least for a while longer.
@kshurika wrote:
The only place I can get this info is Credit Karma, so it must be suspect. Card opened 32 years ago. Closed 14 years ago, but I haven't even been aware of it for about 28 years.
Karma's reports are generally very reliable, though the score they provide (VantageScore) is used by few lenders, so it's not especially valuable.
Are you saying that you have pulled your reports using another tool and this account has not appeared?
It's interesting that this account is mungo old (opened in 1986, closed in 2004).
I am guessing it is really there. Karma's reports are really quite reliable.
Karma actually has two different views, one for EQ and the other for TU. Does the account appear on your EQ report as well (with the same Date Opened and Date Closed)?
I agree that, if I were you, I would not call TU (or EQ or EX) and try to discuss the account with a rep, although frankly you'd probably have to do quite a bit more (like dispute it) before they would wake up and delete it. Certainly pulling your reports using any automated tool (Credit Karma, Credit Check Total, creditscore.com, annualCreditReport.com, etc.) poses no risk of causing it to be deleted.
Every person should pull his credit reports at each of the three bureaus at least once a year. A good free tool (which will give you your Experian report and a free FICO 8 once per month) is this:
It pairs nicely with Karma (which gives you your EQ and TU reports).
And annualCreditReport.com is something anybody should use for each of the three bureaus at least every couple years. ACR is the gold standard.
Be interesting to hear if your 29 year old account appears on the Karma EQ report and if it is on the EX report. If you get really curious (and you should be) you could try pulling your EQ report at ACR and confirming it there too.
@kshurika wrote:
As I mentioned before, the old AMEX card is listed only on TU. It is also on my TU ACR. The first place I actually saw it in print was on Credit Karma. At first, I thought this was a negative. Then, while speaking with a CO CSR, he mentioned that the AmEx card was entirely a positive for my record, so, I haven't touched it.
That's clear now. Thanks!
Incidentally, I just looked back through this thread and can't find any place where you had previously mentioned that the old Amex card is listed only on TU. You do mention (post #8) that you can see it on your TU report, but do not specically rule out the possibility that it might have been on either of the other two bureaus, which is the reason I was asking about that.
Glad we got that cleared up. Best wishes...
The removal of old closed accounts is not required or regulated by the FCRA or any regulations.
It is purely an internal housecleaning procedure at the discretion of the CRAs.
As such, it can be very loosely implemented at CRA discretion.
I personally had an old credit card that remained in my report for 15 years after the date closed.
However, most have been deleted at very close to the normal 10 year period.
While I have no data or specific knowledge of the criteria used in the CRA removal algorithm, it is based in part on keeping accounts that still have useful credit history information. Since most derogs are removed at 7 years from initial delinquency, the use of date closed plus 10 years assures that most useful credit history information has become excluded, and thus retaining accounts that are skewed as to credit history is prudent.
Perhaps the removal algorithm has differing removal periods based on certain types of derogs that might still show.
Credit cards, for example, can be closed before delinquencies cease to accrue, and thus could still have valid payment history info after 7 years fro date closed.
Hi Robert. So is your conjecture that, if payments are made after account closure, then a CRA might permit the account to stay on longer? For example, a card closed in June 2004, but the person takes an additional three years to pay off the balance... you are wondering if the account might then stay on until roughly June 2017? Just want to make sure I understand you right.
This is in contrast to an account closed with a zero balance in June 2004 -- which would in your view be more likely to fall off around June 2014.
Did that apply in your case (on the account that stayed on for 15 years)? I.e. were you still making payments after the account closed, posibly for years? Do you happen to remember when the account was opened?
The problem with a CRA implementing a ten year rule loosely is that there is no way to tell a computer to do something loosely. A human can do something loosely -- hey Bob, clean up the downstairs every once in a while, would you? -- which might result in Bob doing it every couple weeks, then forgetting, then deciding that his wife was getting on his case again, etc. But a computer can't do that. So I am trying to see if there was some explanation that might cover the cases where an account stays on for far longer. My own thinking is to lean toward a bug in older data: e.g. the CRA migrates from one database to another and something gets screwed up, where the deletion routine can't see that this particular account is > 10 years old.
I like your suggestion (if I understand it right) which is that if someone was researching this here he should solicit from people who had very old closed accounts not only Date Opened, Date Closed, and which CRA, but also when the account was paid to zero.