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@Anonymous wrote:they're great for companies like Visa/MC because that's how they make money, the issuing bank may collect some of the swipe fee too but interest is primarily their game. the fees are bad for the retailers you shop at because it cuts into their profits... the reason some consumers consider the swipe fees bad is because most retailers will usually pass the swipe fees on to us in the form of higher prices for the products they sell.
While this is what a retailer "wants to do" in many cases they can't - "pricing" is not as simple or subjective as the cost of product + percentage of profit. There is a very big difference between a major retailer, say Macy's or Best Buy or Starbucks (etc) and the local 7-11 or coffee shop or dry cleaners. Not only do large retailers pay lower fees, but their cost of business, including but not limited to rent, cost of goods, is generally better than a locally owned small business. Of course their numvers are much larger, say the local sewing shop pays $1800 a month for their 1600 sf shop w/$25,000 in gross sales and Best Buy pays $20,000 a month for their 300,000 sf store and do $2,000,000 per month (the numbers are just made up to show a point, I have no idea how much Best Buy pays for rent in Jackass flats or in downtown Chicago).
Larger retailers will price their goods to include all costs and if swipe fees are say 2% of gross sales that will be a factor in their pricing (net pricing discounted from MSRP), they are NOT going to adjust per sale based on which network or which reward structure, they'll use their cost of "discount fees" aka swipe fees over all as a cost factor.
Smaller retailers look at it the same way, but are under greater pricing pressure to compete with online, bigbox, walmart, etc and they don't have the volume to allow for much error. Using the same example as above, if I'm doing $2,500.000 a month and operate on a net net profit after all costs of 5% I'm making $125,000 after all costs. If I'm making 5% on $20,000 that's only $1,000 and its that net/net profit that lets me invest in new staff, new inventory, a new sign, radio ads, etc.
Keep in mind too that in many states your business license is a percent of sales, and gross business figures (not actual profit) are used to determine your rent, your employment/unemployment costs and lots of other things so if a small business was to just add the 3% cost of swipe fees to their gross selling price, they'll probably only recover 2% - if a small business was adding to pass through swipe fees, they'd have to add 5% or more just to cover costs and the market in many areas determines what someone will pay (actual sale price between stores and online).
You hear a lot of justification for swipe fees and yes the networls and issures deserve a profitable business for what they provide, but if you actually check out the SEC annual reports for MC/V/AE/D you'll see that like "debit card swipe fees reduced by dodd-frank" credit card swipe fees are way too high and a retailer (anyone that accepts CC's) has no choice but accept what is offered.
The "cashless" commernce being pushed today where "they" want you to use your CC for everything - think of all the rewards you'll earn - is a successful marketing campaign to insure that the networks and issues get a cut of every single dollar you spend.
pipeguy, my statement was an oversimplification, but fees are incorporated into pricing.
@pipeguy wrote:
Larger retailers will price their goods to include all costs and if swipe fees are say 2% of gross sales that will be a factor in their pricing (net pricing discounted from MSRP), they are NOT going to adjust per sale based on which network or which reward structure, they'll use their cost of "discount fees" aka swipe fees over all as a cost factor.
This is essentially what I was hinting at, not that there is some simple "I'm charged X, so I'm raising prices by X" markup going on.
However different businesses have different ways of handling it too. For example, in some parts of the country (southeast Michigan for example) many gas stations have begun charging 2 different rates on gas depending on if you're paying with cash or a card. Most gas stations in my area give anywhere from 5-10 cents per gallon discounts if you pay with cash (or their branded credit card in some cases). Other types of businesses (the convenience store by my office for example) require a minimum spend per transaction for anyone not paying with cash to increase the likelihood of making a profit above covering the CCC's fees. Everyone has their own way of making sure that their expenses are covered, and that tends to get passed off to consumers.
This is probably a dumb question..but is there a swipe when purchasing online?
@mitchblue wrote:This is probably a dumb question..but is there a swipe when purchasing online?
Yes, generally "card not present" swipe fees are higher.
@Anonymous wrote:
After all, it is your choice to use the card, you should be the one to pay for any fees associated with that, not the business and not the next customer in line.
The argument works both ways. It's a cost of doing business. Granted, there tends ot be a negative impact for smaller businesses but many businesses also benefit from much greater revenue due to credit card acceptance. It's not quite so simple as you're making it out to be.
@Anonymous wrote:
I can assure you that if each of you were responsible for paying the fees that your card usage burdens this economy with
You just said:
@Anonymous wrote:
Ultimately, my good people, it is you and all of the rest of us who pay the ultimate price.
Was your intent to say "if we were aware of the cost"?