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Frusturating

I was almost at my goal of 700 when my scores decided to take a dive. Paid account, scores dropped, Ballance decrease on other accounts, scores dropped again. I lost 30+ points in the last week for what sould be possitive things. I will never understand the way scoring works. I had some hard pulls a few months ago and my scores jumped 10 points for what one would THINK is a negative thing..I just dont get it..

Now how do I get them to come back up again..apply for more loans or cards that I dont want and put myself deeper in debt? Although with the scores I have now I would probly be turned down anyways. Smiley Frustrated

Almost forgot..A collection was removed in the last week...you guessed it ..drop in scores!!!

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takeshi74
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A lot of people don't have a good grasp of causality and mistakenly assume that doing X led to Y when there may have been other factors at play.  It's can also be further complicated by a lack of understanding the scoring factors and other matters related to credit.  If you haven't read this then start here:

http://www.myfico.com/crediteducation/whatsinyourscore.aspx

 

Paying a derog can acutally hurt scores if it makes the account recently active so one should always carefully research when rebuilding.  This site does have a Rebuilding suboforum and I recommend using it as a resource as well as other resources on rebuilding credit.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Now how do I get them to come back up again..apply for more loans or cards that I dont want and put myself deeper in debt? 


Impossible to say without knowing the details of your credit.  All we can say is that if you have derogs then you need to address them as they will tend to hold you back as long as you have them reporting.  You need to ensure that you're building positive payment history.  If you can''t budget and stick to it then you'll need to work on that as well to make any progress.  Manage your revolving utilization as it is a significant risk factor.

 

Available credit and debt are two entirely different things but if having available credit is a risk because you'll just use it then, again, work on learning to stick to a budget and control your available credit until you can responsibly manage it.  You don't have to incur debt on your cards to build your credit.  Work on fixing your issues first and then look into ading tradelines if they would be of benefit to you.

 

Definitely read up more so you understand how various activity impacts your scores.  And don't rely on monitoring alerts to determine the reasons for score changes.  Make sure you're carefully comparing reports before and after the scores change to understand all changes that led to the increase/decrease.  Alerts are only triggered for certain activity.  Better yet, once you've learned how the various factors affect your scores, don't obsess over the numbers and focus on the data in your reports.  Any score is generated based on data in a report.  A good report will lead to a good score.

 

I know that's just a high level overview but you do have to do the legwork yourself.  That said, people here are happy to help out.

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tekashi74, Thank you for the reply. The only changes have been a student loan refi, ballance reductions and one (and only) collection removed. I have 2 auto loans and 2 morgages, one soon to be paid off, and 2 cc's all in good standing with 100% payment history. My only baddie is a ch 13 BK discharged last year. My scores where in the upper 600's, 697 being the highest. I will just have to pull my report to see if anything has changed. Hopefully when the new student loan hits my report, my scores will recover somewhat.  

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@Anonymous wrote:

The only changes have been a student loan refi, ballance reductions and one (and only) collection removed.


Only a loan refi?  

 

That sounds like a "new account" to me.   You are now at 100% on a new installment loan now instead of the paid down original student loan.

 

New accounts are negatives on your credit report and that loan refi with it's associated 100% LTV, inquiries and AAoA impact can easily account for a 30 point drop.

 

And of course, removing a paid collection can oftentimes hurt your AAoA if you have a thin credit file.  For better or worse, sometimes collection accounts are one of our oldest accounts.

 

Time heals things in the FICO world so if you want it to come back to just below 700, all you have to do is .... nothing.  

 

It's that simple.  Your score will rebound if you pay your bills on time and do nothing on your credit for the next 6 months.

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Only thing is, my student loans where in forbarence during the length of my bk(discharged 6/14) then the loans where taken over by Navient in Jan 2015 and only made 2 payments before refi. They where already reporting and new lines. As soon as they where "paid", scores started to fall. My AAoA is 10 to 15 years.
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Anonymous
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The collection was from 2009 for a woppin 41.00.
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@Anonymous wrote:
Only thing is, my student loans where in forbarence during the length of my bk(discharged 6/14) then the loans where taken over by Navient in Jan 2015 and only made 2 payments before refi. They where already reporting and new lines. As soon as they where "paid", scores started to fall. My AAoA is 10 to 15 years.

That is a common occurrence.  As soon as you "pay off" an installment loan, you lose the bonus points for having an active and mature installment loan on your account.

 

Mature Installment/student loans help your credit as you get extra points for them.  Just like you get extra points for having active mortgage and car loans (in good standing).  As soon as they report as PAID/Closed...BAM you lose those bonus points.

 

This is why people get secured installment loans from SDFCU or Alliant....just so they can have active installment loans reporting for the extra points.  I myself went and got me 2 of these fake installment loans for this very reason.

 

With a 10-15 year AAoA and a sub-700, your score is hurting from some other kind of baddies on your report.  If at all possible, get rid of those while waiting for this new account to mature and you'll see a huge jump.

 

Or you can just sit tight and wait 6 months and you'll see your score return back to around 700. 

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Anonymous
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Right now my bk 13 is hurting me..at least for the next two years till it falls off
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@Anonymous wrote:
Right now my bk 13 is hurting me..at least for the next two years till it falls off

Doh!  That's right, forgot you said that.

 

Yeah, just let it ride.  Your student loan got reported as PAID, that is why you lost the points.  This happens often; there's a gazilion threads about this on the forums.

 

You aren't really losing points per se, it's just that your score gets inflated with bonus points from open installment loans.  So your FICO basically dropped to where it should be for somebody without an installment loan (not counting the refi loan because it's too new).

 

Wait for this new refi one to get a few months on it and you'll see your points rise again.  With the BK showing, ~700 is pretty much the max score until the BK falls off.

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Thats what I figured..I'll just ride it out for a few and see what happens.
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