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Anonymous
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Hard pull without permission?

The company that owns my mortgage gave my personal information to another company who was considering buying a portfolio of mortgages from them.  This second company then did a hard pull of my credit.  I am being told by some people that this is an acceptable practice and others say it is not.

 

I can understand that potential investors want to know the risks involved but how can they do a hard pull, without my knowledge, and without notifying me?  I didn't ask them for credit.  I didn't sign anything that says they can do this, nor was I told or provided information when I first got the mortgage that said when or if the mortgage was sold, my credit could be checked (hard pull) without my permission.  If this is acceptable, why wouldn't it be a soft pull, as it is with insurance?  I read through some other topics on here and I see that inquiries that indicate you applied for credit, show up as a "hard pull" and other inquiries show up as a "soft pull".  I certainly did not apply for credit.  This company it appears did not buy the mortgages they were looking at.  So, if they try to sell them to another company in 2 months, then that company can also pull my credit?  So what if it were being sold every year?  If they sell it, it will be the second time in 5 years and I believe it was pulled the first time it was sold.

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Anonymous
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Re: Hard pull without permission?

Unless you gave them permission to "pull your credit" this is not an acceptable practice. While the other lender could be contemplating purchasing the loan, they are only allowed to do a soft pull if you have not given permission.

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RobertEG
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Permission from the consumer is only one way that access to a consumer's credit report is authoritzed.

The  other, and more common, is by showing a permissible purpose, as defined under one or more sections of FCRA 604/

Otherwise, conduct of business and credit approval would come to a crawl pending attainment of permission for each inquiry.

 

Section 604(a)(3)(E) provides permissible purpose to a person who:

"intends to use the information, as a potential investor or servicer, or current insurer, in connection with a valuation of, or an assessment of the credti or repayment risk associated with, and existing credt obligation"

 

Congress apparently condiered the valuation of existng consumer accounts for which a party is considering investing or servicing as an important practice that should permit review of consumer reports.

 

AS to whether such an inquiry can be coded as sott, other than so-called promotional inquiries under subsection 604(c), the FCRA does not regulate the coding of inquiries such that they are not viewable by others.  Whether coding as soft is mandated would depend unpon the guidelines of the CRAs.

Unfortunately, the coding of inquiries is not set forth in any publicly available publication by the CRAs.

However, it is clearly akin to an internal account review conducted by creditors, which is well known to be specified by the CRAs as a soft inquiry.

 

I would contact the CRA and inquiry as to their policy regarding such inquiires.  If they should be coded as sott, then perhaps an incorrect code was somehow entered, and it could be recoded as soft, solving the problem of effect on credit scoring.

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Anonymous
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Learn something new everyday.

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Anonymous
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Thank you I will do that.  My problem with it is that it shows as a hard pull, which I think most of us don't expect.  It is not good to check your report and find inquiries that you know nothing about, I had to do some research to find out who this was and why they pulled it.  Since I am planning to refinance my mortgage, I was trying to not have any inquiries on there.  

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Anonymous
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Actually, there is more to that than first meets the eye reading the code you referenced.  Further down it states the following, involving this very type of situation.

 

Section 604 (c) Furnishing reports in connection with credit or insurance transactions that are not initiated by the consumer. (1) In general. A consumer reporting agency may furnish a consumer report relating to any consumer pursuant to subparagraph (A) or (C) of subsection (a)(3) in connection with any credit or insurance transaction that is not initiated by the consumer only if (A) the consumer authorizes the agency to provide such report to such person; or (B) (i) the transaction consists of a firm offer of credit or insurance; (ii) the consumer reporting agency has complied with subsection (e); (iii) there is not in effect an election by the consumer, made in accordance with subsection (e), to have the consumer’s name and address excluded from lists of names provided by the agency pursuant to this paragraph; and (iv) the consumer report does not contain a date of birth that shows that the consumer has not attained the age of 21, or, if the date of birth on the consumer report shows that the consumer has not attained the age of 21, such consumer consents to the consumer reporting agency to such furnishing.

 

Then as for it showing up as a hard pull Section 604 (c) (3)  Information regarding inquiries. Except as provided in section 609(a)(5) [§ 1681g], a consumer reporting agency shall not furnish to any person a record of inquiries in connection with a credit or insurance transaction that is not initiated by a consumer.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Also, going back and looking better at what the report says, it shows that the  permissible purpose was "credit transaction", which is not true.  I received credit when I first applied for the mortgage, I already have that credit, so them thinking on buying the note from another source, is not any type of credit transaction between me and them.

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RobertEG
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Section 604(c) pertains to offers for credit or insurance not inititated by the consumer.

It relates to the so-called promotional inqiries to make firm offers for unsolicited credit.

It is the only type of inquiry that the FCRA explicitly prohibits from appearing in a credit report made available to others.

 

The posted situation does not involve an offer for credti or insurance being extended to the consumer, it involves the evaluation of a portfolio by a potential investor.

I dont see the applicability to the posted situation.

 

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Anonymous
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Well, reviewing a portfolio is not initiated by the consumer, either.  They show their permissible reason was "credit transaction" and they were not offering nor was I asking for credit from them.  I understand the premise of them knowing something of my credit history but a hard pull of my credit, without my knowledge before or after, does not seem right.  Since I had no idea who they were I've spent  a lot of time and energy tracking down information to find out who they were and if they had a reason to pull my credit report and I'll tell you they aren't very forthcoming.   Hard pulls are supposed to be there to show that the consumer is looking for or has applied for credit.  I did neither.    

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Anonymous
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Goodyear (Citi) pulled ths on me so I called the executive office and they are staring an inquiry by listening in to the recorded call.

I specifically said no HP about 5x

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