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How much do you pay in anuual fees?

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Anonymous
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How much do you pay in anuual fees?

How much do you pay in annual fees?

 

It appears a lot of posters have a lot of premium CC that have an AF. I know this question was asked a few years ago, but it no longer accepts new postings.

 

I pay nothing.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

Nothing. And I would never take any card with an annual fee. Had some for a while because limited credit, but now no way.

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LionLaw
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

I have two cards with annual fees:

 

1. Amex PRG - $195.  Benefits: $100 annual airline fee credit (though I don't always use the full amount); MR Points (I put enough spending through this card to get one or two free flights a year).

 

2. CSP - $95.  Benefits: Chase UR points (the bonus categories don't overlap with Amex, which is nice); lots of travel benefits (primary car rental insurance; trip delay/cancelation insurance; no forex fees; etc.).

 

The annual fees are really only worth it if you travel somewhat regularly, since a) travel and airfare are the most lucrative bonus point categories, b) most of the other benefits of these cards are travel-focused, and c) the rewards points you earn are most valuable when transferred to frequent flyer programs (or otherwise redeemed for travel).  I've cashed in my MR points for a bunch of free flights and hotel nights over the years, so I have definitely gotten my money's worth.

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Anonymous
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

$95 + $450 for ThankYou Premier and CSR right now, would expect to be a lot more in the future when I get new cards.

 

Both of these offer some sort of ways to offset the fee, though. Only "actually" paying $150 this year.

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MakingProgress
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

Zero now.  I did have a $39 AF on QS1 but I got it PC to a QS and no longer have the fee. 

 

I use cash back cards which are less likely to have an AF than points cards.   I doubt I will ever go for the premium cards as I don't travel much and thats where you usually get the most bank for your buck with AF cards. 

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Anonymous
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

AMEX BCP - $95 - After the AF, I get abouyt $300/year on cash back.

AMEX Delta Platinum - $195 - Have it only for the annual companion certificate

CSP - $95

Hilton Honors Ascend - $75 - Only because i was upgraded 3/2018 with an offer...will be downgrading at the year mark

 

I've seen some users here with like 2 AMEX Platinu, CSR, AMEX Platinum Busines, Citi Prestrige etc...maybe lying about their signature...well over $2000 in AFs.

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Anonymous
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

Bear in mind that the right way to calculate the true cost of an annual fee is not to look at simply at how many points or cash back you get, since you can also get points and cash back with no annual fee cards.

 

I'll use the Amex Blue Cash Preferred as an example, though the same kind of analysis can be applied the two Chase Sapphire cards and many others.

 

The Amex BCP gives you 6% on groceries, 3% on gas, and 1% on everything else. 

     * Ignore the everything else category, since you can get 2% in this category with many no annual fee cards. 

     * Likewise ignore the 3% gas category, since several cards give you 3% on gas (my freedom currently gives me 5%).

     * For the grocery category, the no annual fee version of the Blue Cash gives you 3%.  Therefore you should ignore the first 3% on groceries -- only the remaining 3% should count.

 

Thus the math should be something like this: do I spend an average of $1000 per quarter on groceries?  If so, the BCP is giving me $120 extra per year.  The annual fee is $95.  So I am netting $25 by having the Blue Cash Preferred over the ordinary Blue Cash.

 

Even still, if I have a Freedom or a Discover or both, I may have no annual fee solutions for getting 5% on groceries.  Now I have to be spending very close to the $1500 max per quarter in order for the BCP to be worth it.

 

The same kind of analysis may show a person that one or more of his fee cards (Chase, Citi Prestige, whatever) either costs him more than a NAF alternative, or that the benefit is extremely small.  That's a maybe.  If a person has a large family and knows she'll be spending at least $1500 every quarter on groceries, then it is certainly the right choice to have an Amex BCP.

 

One hidden risk in AF cards is that they can lock you into a costly spending pattern.  You pay for the Chase Sapphrise Reserved because you travel a lot -- which justifies in your mind the high AF.  But if you were to go on fewer vacations, you'd save a ton more money than you get with the points that the CSP generates. 

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LionLaw
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?


@Anonymouswrote:

Bear in mind that the right way to calculate the true cost of an annual fee is not to look at simply at how many points or cash back you get, since you can also get points and cash back with no annual fee cards.

 

I'll use the Amex Blue Cash Preferred as an example, though the same kind of analysis can be applied the two Chase Sapphire cards and many others.

 

The Amex BCP gives you 6% on groceries, 3% on gas, and 1% on everything else. 

     * Ignore the everything else category, since you can get 2% in this category with many no annual fee cards. 

     * Likewise ignore the 3% gas category, since several cards give you 3% on gas (my freedom currently gives me 5%).

     * For the grocery category, the no annual fee version of the Blue Cash gives you 3%.  Therefore you should ignore the first 3% on groceries -- only the remaining 3% should count.

 

Thus the math should be something like this: do I spend an average of $1000 per quarter on groceries?  If so, the BCP is giving me $120 extra per year.  The annual fee is $95.  So I am netting $25 by having the Blue Cash Preferred over the ordinary Blue Cash.

 

Even still, if I have a Freedom or a Discover or both, I may have no annual fee solutions for getting 5% on groceries.  Now I have to be spending very close to the $1500 max per quarter in order for the BCP to be worth it.

 

The same kind of analysis may show a person that one or more of his fee cards (Chase, Citi Prestige, whatever) either costs him more than a NAF alternative, or that the benefit is extremely small.  That's a maybe.  If a person has a large family and knows she'll be spending at least $1500 every quarter on groceries, then it is certainly the right choice to have an Amex BCP.

 

One hidden risk in AF cards is that they can lock you into a costly spending pattern.  You pay for the Chase Sapphrise Reserved because you travel a lot -- which justifies in your mind the high AF.  But if you were to go on fewer vacations, you'd save a ton more money than you get with the points that the CSP generates. 


This is all very solid advice.  There are so many competitive rewards cards out there now, many with $0 AF, that it is very hard to justify higher annual fees for bonus points/cash alone.  The 3 major high AF cards (Amex Platinum, CSR, Citi Prestige) all offer benefits that can make their fees worthwhile to heavy travelers, and while all 3 offer very lucrative bonus point categories, those aren't enough on their own to justify the annual fees.

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OmarR
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?

BCP is my only AF card, as I spend just over the required amount (normal, not manufactured) to beat out the BCE.

 

Also, keep in mind any SUB that a card may offer you.

 

BCP gave me $200, so that offsets the AF for 2 years. After that, I will re-visit the situation. By then, there will be new players & cards on the table to choose from.

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Anonymous
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Re: How much do you pay in anuual fees?


@OmarRwrote:

BCP is my only AF card, as I spend just over the required amount (normal, not manufactured) to beat out the BCE.

 

Also, keep in mind any SUB that a card may offer you.

 

BCP gave me $200, so that offsets the AF for 2 years. After that, I will re-visit the situation. By then, there will be new players & cards on the table to choose from.


I agree that the Sign Up Bonus can matter a lot when you are trying to decide whether to apply for the card at all.  But once you have gotten the bonus (typically 90-120 days after you opened the card) then the SUB shouldn't factor into your decision about what to do with the card for the future.  The bonus at that point is history.  You already have it.  The fact that you got the bonus in the past won't cause the annual fee in 2019 to be any more or less than it is.

 

As far as the BCP goes, are you buying over $1000 worth of groceries per quarter?  If not, I'd rethink the appropriateness of the BCP.  (And if you have a Freedom and/or Discover, you need to be buying closer to $1500, since that makes 3 or 6 months when you can get 5% of groceries with no fee.)

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