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I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

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Uppingmyscore
Established Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@azguy13 wrote:

@dodgerslv wrote:

@Uppingmyscore wrote:

+1 I would drive myself crazy trying to chase after a moving target.  Just follow the primary principles and you'll be fine. 


+100


Yea, I don't worry about my score until I am a couple months away from applying for an auto loan. Until then I just PIF and let my AAoA get older.


Right on!!!

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bada_bing
Frequent Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

FICO scoring is intended to be invisible to the people being measured. It is 

supposed to measure your credit behavior, not influence your behavior.

Long ago, people became aware that they could "tweak" their scores a bit

by altering trivial parts of their daily credit life. Like tweaking utilization.

Having all cards report zero except one isn't a normal behavior, it's a

behavior intended to influence scores. Getting the short term 10-20 point

bump in scores from tweaking may feel good, but it doesn't really give the

full benefit the score increase might suggest. A 760 profile while scores are

tweaked  isn't as strong as a profile that scores 760 just living.

 

I look at it as a tweaked score isn't natural. The score you have when you

ignore short term FICO effects of your behavior is a better indicator of your

real credit report standing. Lenders have partially compensated for the

tweakability of scores by developing their own proprietary internal scores

and by manual review.

 

I wouldn't waste my time fussing over scores continuously. I do it when I have

an app I want to do, but realize it doesn't do as much as the raw fico might suggest.

Curiously, mortgages seem to be much more influenced by raw fico score than credit

cards. 95% of the time I let all my statements cut with whatever I spent that month and

PIF on the due date.

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Message 12 of 33
juggalo9er
Valued Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@bada_bing wrote:

FICO scoring is intended to be invisible to the people being measured. It is 

supposed to measure your credit behavior, not influence your behavior.

Long ago, people became aware that they could "tweak" their scores a bit

by altering trivial parts of their daily credit life. Like tweaking utilization.

Having all cards report zero except one isn't a normal behavior, it's a

behavior intended to influence scores. Getting the short term 10-20 point

bump in scores from tweaking may feel good, but it doesn't really give the

full benefit the score increase might suggest. A 760 profile while scores are

tweaked  isn't as strong as a profile that scores 760 just living.

 

I look at it as a tweaked score isn't natural. The score you have when you

ignore short term FICO effects of your behavior is a better indicator of your

real credit report standing. Lenders have partially compensated for the

tweakability of scores by developing their own proprietary internal scores

and by manual review.

 

I wouldn't waste my time fussing over scores continuously. I do it when I have

an app I want to do, but realize it doesn't do as much as the raw fico might suggest.

Curiously, mortgages seem to be much more influenced by raw fico score than credit

cards. 95% of the time I let all my statements cut with whatever I spent that month and

PIF on the due date.


+11

Message 13 of 33
thom02099
Valued Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

I, along with others, understand your frustration.  Yes, it's a struggle sometimes, and things don't make sense to us mere mortals.  However, calling FICO a scam is a bit of a stretch.  They aren't scamming anyone. 

Message 14 of 33
Imua
Frequent Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@thom02099 wrote:

I, along with others, understand your frustration.  Yes, it's a struggle sometimes, and things don't make sense to us mere mortals.  However, calling FICO a scam is a bit of a stretch.  They aren't scamming anyone. 


agree Smiley Happy

one of the things that doesn't make sense to this mere mortal is "things that negatively impact" my score being "balances on 45% on your accts"

never mind that my score is in the 800's, overall util is <3%, and the balances that are reporting are in the <$100 range for $10k CLs... 

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aubie1kenobie2
Frequent Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

I obsessed over my score right before I applied for my car loan and spent a great deal of time here trying to learn how to make the score better. Afterwards I really took it easy and not worried about it as much (goal achieved....for now). Well, now the scores actually went up without any huge effort, just paid the cards on time. I believe you should use the knowledge of credit scores to your advantage when you are trying to apply for credit but to do this everyday would be stressful! Having said that, I understand that getting to 760 is easier than getting to 800 from a 760.....sort of like that plateau you get after losing 30+ pounds and that last 5 lbs just wouldn't budge...and I can imagine the frustration. 


Starting Score: No credit history in July 2013, 663 in August (lender pulled)
Current Score: 773 (Discover FICO), 749 (DCU EQ)
Ultimate goal: Buy a house in 2016!
Message 16 of 33
ecxpa
Valued Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

Seems to me the FICO score is a small part of the problem.  I have 750 fico on TU and 740 of Experian, and I get denied credit because of the number of inquiries and number of accounts having a balance no matter how small the balance is.  Balance on number of accounts seems more important to some lenders than others; inquiries also are given different weight by different lenders.  It's all a game, that unfortunately most including myself don't understand.  Things like late payments from 3-4 years ago still ding not only my score but causes denial of  some applications.  Fortunately,  when I recon and  these items are mentioned, I just be honest and tell the CSR that I am rebuilding and letting some balances report to be paid off later to help my credit score and that if they look the late payments occurred 3-4 years ago; I have been successful in most recons not all.  I think that letting a balance post one month then zeroing it out the next helps the score.  Otherwise how is one going to build a history of on-time payments? 

 

In the end I think I have finally learned that in the credit game you have to focus on a single point........you can choose to focus on building your score by letting some balances report some months,  or PIF  before the balance posts to keep your utilization down.  Which in the end doesn't help if you have not demonstrated that you can manage credit.  Having a zero balance on a CC month after month may be interpreted as you are not using the card.  Just because you have a balance reporting does not mean you have to pay interest that month as long as you PIF by the due date.  At least that is my understanding.

 

So I don't think the FICO system is a scam really.........but unfair at times and misunderstood.  It is common knowledge that how FICO scoring works is a proprietary secret not available to the public.   If you get dinged 10 points for something rarely does fixing it give you back 10 points right away.  In the end the FICO score is extremely important but a good FICO score does not guarantee approval.  There's so much more to this credit thing that meets the eye and one will only understand it by studying and learning how credit works.   As soon as you think you have it all figured out..........BOOM....something else comes into play.

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Fico2Go
Established Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

My FICO went up 31 points today for no particular reason.  I was expecting 4 INQs to drop from two years ago so I pulled a CR and score yesterday for comparison. 

This morning I went to pull an updated CR and noticed my scores went up 31 pts. 

 

Same Ratio

Same number of accounts with balance

No new inqs

No new accounts

My 4 INQs still on the report and should be off tomorrow. 

 

Has anyone had this happened to them?  31 pt increase for no particular reason?

 

 

 

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Message 18 of 33
thom02099
Valued Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@Fico2Go wrote:

My FICO went up 31 points today for no particular reason.  I was expecting 4 INQs to drop from two years ago so I pulled a CR and score yesterday for comparison. 

This morning I went to pull an updated CR and noticed my scores went up 31 pts. 

 

Same Ratio

Same number of accounts with balance

No new inqs

No new accounts

My 4 INQs still on the report and should be off tomorrow. 

 

Has anyone had this happened to them?  31 pt increase for no particular reason?

 

 

 


Are you talking about your EQ score?  In another post here but a different forum, there was mention that MyFICO had recently changed scoring model for EQ to the Beacon 9.0 or the 08 model.  That could account for the score change of 31 points. 

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paramed3
Regular Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

Just like I said they carve 11 points off my SCORES for have zero balance on all cards then the one card post last night with 128.00 out of 2000 CL and here comes the 11 points back. IT'S A SCAM. It really is a scam. Took me a month to set all this up but I forget the one I left is not dues until 24th each month instead of 20th. I was thinking no problem they don't update until end of month but I was wrong. That makes the entire notion of rescoring sort of questionable. 

 

This is a scam to do this to us. We own this information and I can not log into this site or any credit site without be bombarded with ADS on buy this or buy that to improve your score or omg you need this to protect your idenity theives are ready to steal it today. 

 

I am so sick of this. You say don't watch it so close unless you plan to buy something soon. Try 250,000 for 6 acres and two rentals on it. 

 

Yea I am thankful my scores are better. I started at 533 and now way into the mid 700 range but I want all 3 at 760 for the best rates. 760-800 is where I plan to stay the rest of my life. I learned the hard way and I have people tell me now " I don;t need credit I pay cash for everything" yea well I hope you know you will live in a rental if that or a 4000 house the rest of your life. I said we all have to have and need our credit. Its a part of life. I will be glad when in 25 years this scam is over and they have new ways to look at a person and their credit profile for payback on loans. It's coming just no time soon as these agencies have found a way to make billions. Do you think republicians really want abortion to go away ? Heck no that is their primary hot topic to get their stupid base in an uproar at election time. The real threath to americans now are amercians. We are the ones that hurt this country most not others. 

Starting FICO Score 2007: >> >> 533 -- God those were some Dark Days !!
Current >>>> 9-29-15 - (Experian 800 FICO-8 - (Equifax 798) - ( Transunion 808 )FICO Goals: 820-830 For all 3 or above
Ultimate Fico 850 x 3 Even if for a week Just to say I crawled out of the sewer and trust me it was the pits. I could not borrow a cent
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