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I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

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myjourney
Super Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

Political views are out of bounds on the forum unless it's credit related

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paramed3
Regular Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

I have had jumps like that but I am in the next to the last bracket from being Excellent and it's killing me to try to get there and that is all three pretty much have to be 760 or above to rest in that top bracket. The 11 points came back so I lost them for a grand total of 2 days if that long. If the card at just posted one day soon I think I would have got the spike I need,. I am 13 points off from being in that top bracket in the nation and I just can't seem to get there. I want and will not stop until all three are 760 or above. So come April 1 here I go again. Charge on all cards. I go get gas and I put some on each card at the first stop. That gives me activity due on the card for the month. Then I use my paypal card that has 2700 on it. Then JC PENNY is hardest to use. I do not need anymore T-Shirts and underwear but I will buy something small there as CL is 1650 so it has to be used. Then here I go I pay all off except one and try to alternate which one I leave a balance one. I had one guy here that understands this a lot say leave .006 on all of them no more but that gave me nothing. I tried that 2 months and nothing. Girl at agency and credit card company agree leave one card with a balance on it below 10% of its CL. That is what I have been doing. I will get there but do you know how long a month is when you set this up just to see it fail in the end.

 

So here I go again.

 

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Message 22 of 33
TrulyyBlessed
Regular Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@paramed3 wrote:

I have had jumps like that but I am in the next to the last bracket from being Excellent and it's killing me to try to get there and that is all three pretty much have to be 760 or above to rest in that top bracket. The 11 points came back so I lost them for a grand total of 2 days if that long. If the card at just posted one day soon I think I would have got the spike I need,. I am 13 points off from being in that top bracket in the nation and I just can't seem to get there. I want and will not stop until all three are 760 or above. So come April 1 here I go again. Charge on all cards. I go get gas and I put some on each card at the first stop. That gives me activity due on the card for the month. Then I use my paypal card that has 2700 on it. Then JC PENNY is hardest to use. I do not need anymore T-Shirts and underwear but I will buy something small there as CL is 1650 so it has to be used. Then here I go I pay all off except one and try to alternate which one I leave a balance one. I had one guy here that understands this a lot say leave .006 on all of them no more but that gave me nothing. I tried that 2 months and nothing. Girl at agency and credit card company agree leave one card with a balance on it below 10% of its CL. That is what I have been doing. I will get there but do you know how long a month is when you set this up just to see it fail in the end.

 

So here I go again.

 

Thanks


FICO is not the scam. You are scamming yourself by believing that individuals who did not create this model have actually figured out how it works universally best for all. You took the suggestions of individuals and they did not work. It happens alot in life.  Each individual's credit profile is different and what works best for some may not work for others. Hopefully this time your strategy will work, but it is your choice to play the "credit game" so do not get mad if you lose. 


Starting Score: Nov. 2012 585
Current Score: EQ 733 EX 777 TU 743 Goal Score: 750+






Message 23 of 33
mrgoattoo
New Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@paramed3 wrote:

Its really crazy I have 5 cards total with 15000 in limit and pay all down this month work the entire month to make sure if I charge anything I come home and pay it just to set it up to show one card with 6%, Well the day before the drop my score went up one point then the next day down 11 as the zero hit but last months zero on other card was still showing so all cards have a zero balance. Today or tomorrow the balance card with hit with 150.00 out of 2000. What will I get ? the 11 points back hopefully. I worked on this all month like every month just to see this crap and it just so aint worth it. Not I am not going to forget it but putting this sort of effort in it anymore NOWAY. I am going to keep using them and keep utlization at less than 10 always and forget chasing that score. Its really a scam from the agencies they are like begging you to buy some type of product from them these days and trying to scare you into idenity fraud products. 



Pay your bills on time and forget all the scoring crap.

FICO serves a purpose in that it helps you see if someone is screwing around with your credit, if nothing else.

Its not a scam, it just may not give you what your hoping to see at any given point.

Dont pay money for your score if thats the problem youre having with FICO. Barclays, Discover and a few others give free FICOs enough that you can at least keep some basic monitoring of y our score for free.

TU FICO average 819
Message 24 of 33
mrgoattoo
New Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

I am 13 points off from being in that top bracket in the nation and I just can't seem to get there. I want and will not stop until all three are 760 or above."

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Let me say that getting to the 760 mark was quick and painless.

Getting above that was like pulling teeth.

Once you get to the upper mid 700's just stop paying too much attention or you'll drive yourself nuts like I did trying to get to 800.

It aint worth the head banging.

TU FICO average 819
Message 25 of 33
thom02099
Valued Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@paramed3 wrote:

Just like I said they carve 11 points off my SCORES for have zero balance on all cards then the one card post last night with 128.00 out of 2000 CL and here comes the 11 points back. IT'S A SCAM. It really is a scam. Took me a month to set all this up but I forget the one I left is not dues until 24th each month instead of 20th. I was thinking no problem they don't update until end of month but I was wrong. That makes the entire notion of rescoring sort of questionable. 

 

This is a scam to do this to us. We own this information and I can not log into this site or any credit site without be bombarded with ADS on buy this or buy that to improve your score or omg you need this to protect your idenity theives are ready to steal it today. 

 

I am so sick of this. You say don't watch it so close unless you plan to buy something soon. Try 250,000 for 6 acres and two rentals on it. 

 

Yea I am thankful my scores are better. I started at 533 and now way into the mid 700 range but I want all 3 at 760 for the best rates. 760-800 is where I plan to stay the rest of my life. I learned the hard way and I have people tell me now " I don;t need credit I pay cash for everything" yea well I hope you know you will live in a rental if that or a 4000 house the rest of your life. I said we all have to have and need our credit. Its a part of life. I will be glad when in 25 years this scam is over and they have new ways to look at a person and their credit profile for payback on loans. It's coming just no time soon as these agencies have found a way to make billions. Do you think republicians really want abortion to go away ? Heck no that is their primary hot topic to get their stupid base in an uproar at election time. The real threath to americans now are amercians. We are the ones that hurt this country most not others. 


No it's not.  And No, you don't. You are purchasing a product that has information about you, but you don't own that product. 

 

Rather than focusing and obsessing on a score, look to the actual data in the report to make sure it is accurate and timely.  Misinformation in the actual data could be causing your score to get hung up.  And the reality is, unless you're applying for more credit, the scores don't matter.  Like on that show "Who's Line Is It Anyway?"Smiley Wink

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takeshi74
Senior Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@paramed3 wrote:

I have worked my behind off to get my credit higher and higher. I have about a 750 Depends on Credit Agency. I pay all my cards down to ZERO each month except one. Well this month they all hit zero on my report because I alternate cards and the one with a balance has not reported yet. 


Your frustration and reporting issue doesn't make FICO a scam.  FICO doesn't control how your cards report.

 

Utilization doesn't carry over month to month so don't fret over it so much.

 


@paramed3 wrote:

I tell you it's a scam to keep you doing this and buying scores.


What you buy is a result of your own decisions and actions.  I've never purchased a score from FICO.  FICO doesn't make anyone do anything.

 


@paramed3 wrote:

All I want is equifax the 724 to hit 760.


If you choose to fixate on scores then that's the cause of your problem.  Focus instead on what's on your reports as suggested above multiple times.  It's certainly possible to build/rebuild/maintainwithout obsessively buying FICO's.  I've done that myself.

 

There's nothing wrong with wanting one's credit to be in better shape but if what you're doing is driving you nuts then why are you still doing the same thing over and over?  FICO isn't going to change to your whims.  You have to accept responsbility for your own actions and reactions and do whatever you need to do to get you where you want to be.

Message 27 of 33
CreditMike
New Member

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

The real scam is not getting the correct score. Lets say you buy your FICO credit score and it says 560 from all three credit agencies. Not very good. So you work real hard bust your ass to get your score up. Its now months or even years later so you check you FICO scores again and great thier at 720 for all three (I know they are never the same, this is just an example to show the problem). You figure hey my credits good i've worked hard to make it better i can go buy a car. So that same day that you pulled your credit you go to the car dealer and they pull your credit and it comes back at 650 and you are denied that car loan based on you credit. **bleep** ??? Why isnt it 720 ?? I know that they are pulling an 'industry specific code' for my credit score .... but WHY CANT I SEE THAT SAME EXACT SCORE !!!!! If i would of known that the score was only 650 i wouldnt have gone and tried...... so when is FICO and myFICO and every other credit reporting agency going to admit that this is a real problem and fix the Industry. Here is a great article to read about scores http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/07/don-t-buy-useless-credit-scores/index.htm I would like a response from FICO and myFICO and Fair Isaac on this issue and what they are doing about it and a timeline. I am SICK AND TIRED OF GOING INTO A MAJOR PURCHASE BLINDE AND NOT KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT WITH MY CREDIT. Being 'close' is not good enough.

Message 28 of 33
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM


@CreditMike wrote:

The real scam is not getting the correct score. Lets say you buy your FICO credit score and it says 560 from all three credit agencies. Not very good. So you work real hard bust your ass to get your score up. Its now months or even years later so you check you FICO scores again and great thier at 720 for all three (I know they are never the same, this is just an example to show the problem). You figure hey my credits good i've worked hard to make it better i can go buy a car. So that same day that you pulled your credit you go to the car dealer and they pull your credit and it comes back at 650 and you are denied that car loan based on you credit. **bleep** ??? Why isnt it 720 ?? I know that they are pulling an 'industry specific code' for my credit score .... but WHY CANT I SEE THAT SAME EXACT SCORE !!!!! If i would of known that the score was only 650 i wouldnt have gone and tried...... so when is FICO and myFICO and every other credit reporting agency going to admit that this is a real problem and fix the Industry. Here is a great article to read about scores http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/07/don-t-buy-useless-credit-scores/index.htm I would like a response from FICO and myFICO and Fair Isaac on this issue and what they are doing about it and a timeline. I am SICK AND TIRED OF GOING INTO A MAJOR PURCHASE BLINDE AND NOT KNOWING WHAT TO EXPECT WITH MY CREDIT. Being 'close' is not good enough.




 

Which is why focusing on the report instead of the score is the important thing.  The data matters, the score is (mostly) irrelevant unless you can explicitly get the score you know the lender will be using... vis a vis I sincerely hope DCU does not change the Beacon 5.0 I get from them so I can have some sort of guage of my mortgage qualification whenever I get to that point.  Short of government mandate though, the likelihood of all scores being available is statistically zero.

 

 


@bada_bing wrote:

FICO scoring is intended to be invisible to the people being measured. It is 

supposed to measure your credit behavior, not influence your behavior.

Long ago, people became aware that they could "tweak" their scores a bit

by altering trivial parts of their daily credit life. Like tweaking utilization.

Having all cards report zero except one isn't a normal behavior, it's a

behavior intended to influence scores. Getting the short term 10-20 point

bump in scores from tweaking may feel good, but it doesn't really give the

full benefit the score increase might suggest. A 760 profile while scores are

tweaked  isn't as strong as a profile that scores 760 just living.

 

I look at it as a tweaked score isn't natural. The score you have when you

ignore short term FICO effects of your behavior is a better indicator of your

real credit report standing. Lenders have partially compensated for the

tweakability of scores by developing their own proprietary internal scores

and by manual review.

 

I wouldn't waste my time fussing over scores continuously. I do it when I have

an app I want to do, but realize it doesn't do as much as the raw fico might suggest.

Curiously, mortgages seem to be much more influenced by raw fico score than credit

cards. 95% of the time I let all my statements cut with whatever I spent that month and

PIF on the due date.

 

Absolutely excellent point; however, how long does it take for a pattern of behavior to become a habit?  

 

Changes to modify your own score are likely self-reinforcing over time much like other learned behaviors; I don't and won't ever spend the time to go do that mostly because I know it's irrelevant to me personally: by the time I can break 730ish with negatives finally falling off several years from now, I'll likely be at 760 anyway just from having lived through the intervening years and having established a strong enough credit profile that I don't need to play the utilization game.

 




        
Message 29 of 33
virgo
Established Contributor

Re: I Swear FICO IS A SCAM

Everyone has valid points but, huge BUT. When you apply for anything, the first ping they get from anyone, is that pesky score. Then in a blink everything else follows.

 

A human being does not see this info unless it goes to manual review, which is why re cons work.

 

As for inq's if you get approved, i dont think the inq should remain.  I dont think you should get dinged twice, especially if approved.

 

Just my 2 cents

 

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