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I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

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Anonymous
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

Thank you Hauling.   That's a very good point.  I need to keep in mind that the cuts I make are temporary. (Makes it not seem so bad.)  And yes - the dining out and other are definite areas that I need to watch.    Thanks for your input!
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.


@Anonymous wrote:

I am desperate.  I make somewhat decent money but I'm still broke.  My house is $100k and I drive a Honda Civic and would like to upgrade both in the near future but I have to get my finances in a better position so that I can do that.  I come from a very poor, dysfunctional family so I have no one to ask for advice.  So I am turning to the Fico folks.  These are my monthly expenses: (creditor, balance, interest, monthly payment) 

                                                  Balan

  • Citicard 1                            $464          13.24%     $20/mo
  • HSBC                                 $362          29.5%       $19/mo
  • Htrs                                    $1,773        21.2%       $55/mo
  • Target                                 $3.405        17.24%      $90/mo
  • Citi 2                                   $432           27.24%     $20/mo
  • Home Depot                         $999          33.99%      $33/mo
  • Discover                               $3.406       0% (intro)   $70/mo
  • Amx                                    $600          17.24%       $15/mo
  • Credit Union - HELOC           $7,414        5.5%         $120/mo
  • Credit Union - personal ln       $3.185        13%           $180/mo
  • Car pmt 1                             $15,275       8.94%        $511/mo
  • Car pmt 2                             $7,903          7.7%          $197/mo
  • Mortgage (2002)                    $100,213     5.88%         $838/mo
  • Student loan                         $50,655      6.75%         $285/mo
  • Car Insurance                        $185/mo

 

 >> Take home $4,000 per month

  

I have 2 car payments because my son is in school and I pay for his car.   Again, I just feel like at $100k a year salary I should be able to afford a house with a gararge.   Silly I know but I think you get the point.  Isn't there a certain %age of your salary that should be spent on housing?  I just would think that majority of my monthly expenses should be spent on housing, right?  So, I just need some guidance - not criticism.  Thanks so much for any help!

 

By the way, my credit scores are currently:  TU 720, EX 660, EQ  655

Message Edited by newtoit on 08-29-2009 10:49 AM

 

Your subject line says "I make 100k per year" but your post says take home is $4000 per month.  That is a big spread between the two.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

Maybe the OP is using two bi-weekly paychecks for the calculation of their monthy salary.   

 

Perhaps the OP could make temporary adjustments to their withholdings to get more cash to pay down debts.  Change insurance plans, take more deductions, reduce 401K contributions to what the employer matches, etc.   

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Anonymous
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

4K a month take home assuming health insurance and retirement and HSA he probably is making about 8K gross which is  96k a year. if he gets paid every 2 weeks he definately makes it.  Probably does not exceed it but close enough.


And thats part of the problem. When you have the mindset you make 100K a year and in all reality you make close but not really, that is just another sign of the thinking that is hampering you.

 

To the OP:

 

I do not know anything of your dating status if you are entertaining at home or out a lot, but you spent by your own admission $831 for the month of August on food and the month is not even over yet. There are Families of 5 that do not spend that much on food.

 

You need a budget.

 

You need a spending and a savings plan.

 

75.00 in overdraft? You threw that money away. You make too much money to be overdrafting.


You are spending way too much money because you make a 100k and think you should be able to spend and you are living beyond your means.

 

You need to take a cold eye to your expenses . Slashing your food/eating out by half would pay off one of your credit cards in full each month for the next few months.


Its OK to go home and eat a turkey sandwich from lunch meat/bread you bought at the store instead of hitting the local sandwich shop, or instead of cooking steak,

 

You need to save too, so you aren't overdrafting and so instead of using credit cards you can pay cash.

 

Yes it is going to suck the first few months, as you set new habits, but you make the money you are just spending too much.

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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

newtoit,

 

there is some discrepancies between your salaray and take home.  If you make 100K annually then your gross is 100K/26 = 3846.15

 

then you have to subtract takes and insurances form 3846.15  say  you are 21% tax bracket then it is  your take home is a little closer to 3000.00 if not less.   double check!!

 

I think I will agree that you need to change your attitude toward money first.  NOT EASY COME EASY GO.   I know that not having role models can be difficult but we can help here "FICO FAMILY"

 

you should start paying more than the minmum on  your cards.  The high interest rate may imply some unsatisfactory payment history with the company.  you should maybe set up automatic bill payment with your ban so that the minimum at least gets paid montly.  just looking at you bills there you can save about 500 - 600 / month easy not counting CC minimum payments and this will be history in no time

 

go to  dinkytown.net   to plug the bills in a calculator and see how rewarding this wil be for you.  we on this board  have suggested various payment strategy see which worls for you.  but be committed to try one of them. 

 

in this unsteady financial market  do not forget your emergency fund savings - we are a one illness away form broke!

 

then eating out has to go,  a must,  see if there are ways to cut back on your utilities also,  turn off light ulplug unsuse items.

 

 

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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

Yes - I contribute 6% to my 401k.  I have thought of changing my exemptions to bring home more money.  I usually end up with about a $2500 refund each year which I really like.  I'm afraid if I change it by the wrong amount then I'll end up owing at the end of the year.  Plus I won't be able to claim my son for much longer.  I'm not sure when you have to stop claiming your dependents but he will be out of school in about 2 years so I would assume it's coming up.  And yes - I know that the amount of money I spend on food is one of the 'easy'  ways that I can cut my expenses.  I am looking at that.  I am single but don't date and don't have many friends.  So entertaining isn't an expense of mine.  I stay home most of the time. 
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

I see,

 

Here are some more suggestions,  please do not be overhelmed by this debt  you earn enough to pay t off in less than a year.  with discipline and desire and maybe a little diet.

 

some student loan progams grant forebarance /hardship etc  see if they will grant you  this for about three months use that money to knock out a few pyments cit ame etc. 

 

no eating out for thre months,  cut your grocerey  bill in half another  600/mo  x 3 months  = 1800 to pay of others

 

then start repaying the student loan.  and keep  on paying  AND NO MORE CHARGING it will be gone in no time.

 

do not stop contributing to your 401k,  i get the tax issue  leave it alone.   you mke enough  just change your attitude toward money.

 

 

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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

A lot of people do not want to budget as it is something poor people do, or it means you dont make enough. believe me people budget.  

 

to the OP: I just want to show you some numbers from what you have given.

 

Ok so we shop your car insurance and increase your deductable to 500 from 250. (many places have a 20.00 a month price difference between those two numbers, so yeah if you put keep that in mind it saves you moeny after the first year of saving the 20.00) save $30.00 a month.

 

Cut out the premium cable channels, maybe keeping one set. Downgrade your highspeed internet to the slowest High speed they have (unless your job or personal use demands High speed- but only you know that. Most people do not download enough to need a superfast conection) saves 30.00 a month.

 

Go over your cell bill, if you are coming close to a renewal dump your insurance, realise you do not need so many minutes so downgrade your minutes/text program. saves 20 a month

 

Go thorugh your house. You live alone. Unplug that spare TV in the guest room, unplug the stuff in your sons room, use a powerstrip and just shut the power off, install CFL bulbs in everything, close ducts to empty rooms so you are not heating/cooling empty space, clean fridge coils, Turn lights out when not using, turn stuff off when not using oustide of initial costs of Power Strip and CFL bulbs you probably could see a 25.00 a month savings. 


Conserve trips in car. try to one stop shop when running errands so you are not making so many small trips. heck act like gas is still 4.95 a gallon save 25.00 month. ( i am assuming 150 a month in gas is 4-6 fill ups)

 

Now I do not know anything about you, I do not know if you have people over for meals a lot so you have a lot of food on hand, and I do not know if all your eating out is with a date or just with friends. I also do not know if you live in a high food COL state but... There is no shame in eating a peanut butter and jelly for lunch occasionally,

 

Cut your eating out in half, and your food budget to less then 50 a week and you are saving 500 a month.


if you don't date and dont go out you are eating out WAY TOO MUCH and eating out at some very nice places probably.
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 From another thread I did:

 

A compilation of two posts I made telling someone they probably had extra money in the house:

 

1-Get a notebook for you and for the spouse. Give out a set amount of money each week and ask that every cent be accounted for. Every week tranfer it to a master list.


After a month you have an idea where your money goes and how much you spend (people trying to lose weight use this, if you can stick to it it isa great motivation) now take a good hard look at it.

 

This will give you an idea where your money goes. Is a McDonalds coffee 3 times a week really necessary? No  cut that out and you save $6.00 or $24 a month. I cut huge saving when I realized I drank 10 $1.00 sodas from the vending machine at work a week and could buy 12 for 7.18 at the grocery store and use a little cooler with a refreezable ice pak (10*4=$40 vs 3.5*$7.18=$25.13....the cooler and the ice pack was paid off in the first month. Same amount of beverage cheaper no degrading my quality of life)

 

2-List all your monthly bills and obligations, include a set amount for vehicle repairs and expected gas you really cannot do anything about that.

See where your money is going out at.

 

3- Save all you grocery receipts. Go through them. Are there generics you can trade out? Frozen or fresh for cheaper depending on season.  Most people can save 50% of their food household goods budget by:

 

a) Buying Generics

 

b) Aggressive couponing (with products they actually use)

 

c) meal planning using guides like the book CHEAP, FAST, GOOD, by Mills.

 

d) grocery planning using circulars and online looking. This does important things- it allows you to buy cheap and it limits trips out shopping. Most people buy at least ONE thing not on their list. If you limit your shopping to x times  a month you limit how many extra items you may buy.

 

e) Shop at multiple stores for your needs. One stop shopping means you are paying more for something that the discount store or store next door sells cheaper. I shop at 3 different stores- The Big grocery store, Aldis and a discounter named Marcs. I can buy coffee creamer  for $1.00 a quart,  at Marcs, same brand product for 3.59 at grocery store or house brand at Aldis for $2.79. Be aggressive- don't buy what you dont eat, or can eat as thrown away food is thrown away money But shopping can for 3 hours of work save you a considerable amount

 

f) get another notebook for shopping. It's your grocery log. Write down and log prices of the staples you typically buy at the stores you go to- that way you can remember that milk is chaeper at XXXX but carrots are cheaper at XXXX record price changes as you shop. You can also then compare and see where a sale price is actually cheaper.

 

g) start downgrading meals- you dont need steak or chicken so much, and you may find frozen chicken breasts at a better price then fresh, or depending on a sale fresh might be cheaper or ground beef abetter buy then turkey.

 

h) Less prepackaged- mini carrots are great but regular ones are pound for pound cheaper. bagged salad mix is incredibly expensive. Do you really need Mesculin Mix? Will you use the whole bag?

 

4-All the money you save you need to do two things- Cut it in half- put half down on paying bills off and the other half to make your emergencey cash fund. Every dollar you save you need to view as INCOME that you worked for. You need to save it and pay off your debt.

 

5- If you buy more then 3 copies of a magazine a year a subscription is probably cheaper

 

6- Use your library for books, magazines and DVDs. In many places you can order them online and pick them up. Who needs netflix? (or magazine subscriptions honest I only have  a few, the rest I take out from the library)< multiple memberships at different libraries can give you different products.

 

7- Costco or Sams club CAN save you money if you are budgeting hard core and if they have products you use. And if you shop well. My Costco card pays for itself just by one maintenence medication I buy there.

 

8-Look closely at your cell phone/cable bill. Down grade your high speed internet. Downgrade your cell service. Put the kids on a use budget.

 

9- Wal mart- they may be destroying America but some stuff they have is cheaper--but just because Wal mart sells it does not mean it will be cheaper then a sale price or regular price somewhere else.

 


And in responce to a question someone asked me:

 

I live in a one bedroom apartment


Granted some of these numbers might be location based, and what companies you choose business with but:

 

I switched from Time Warner with HBO/Showtime and highspeed to WOW and just highspeed, lowest speed they had, saved $45 a month.

 

Properly recorded my mileage to insurance company and saved 12.00 a month ( I drive less then 7K a year)

Switched to CFL in the lights, unplugged devices I do not use or use rarely and dropped my electric $8.00 a month. Went on my electric companies budget program so I pay the same amount every month.

Evaluated my Cell service, dropped minutes I do not use, dropped texts I never use(1500 to 200) and saved $25.00


Downgraded Netflix (keeping it was a trade off on getting rid of movie channels) $3.00 I pick up the slack with my local library.

 

My grocery buying, generics switch over and price log using, just did a price comparison and I average spending about $30 a week on food/household stuff (cleaners, soap, detergent, toothpast) if I one stop shopped at the grocery store that would be around 65 a week I spent. SO I save 35 a week. (those are costs on average over time as who buys deodorant weekly but you get the idea,)

 

pack lunch saves 18 a week

buying Soda on sale gives me brand names at generic prices. I stock up to wait out the next sale



No itunes downloads or CD buying, I library and rip saves about $10  a month. (really yeah thats 12 CDs a year)

 

$255 a month from what I was spending.

 

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REMEMBER-keep some creature comforts. But understand you are trying to budget, not spend frivolously.


Dieting by restriction causes a lot of people to lose faith and go off the diet or binge.

 

I still get NetFlix, i still see movies, I haev magazine subscriptions.

I eat out at happy hour with friends and sit at the bar where we get food discounts.

I get my hair cut.

 

Driving 45 minutes to save 20 cents on a can of mushrooms is a bad call that will make you hate your budget too.

 

Buying a $45.00 bottle of shampoo may make sense, but understand that money is coming from somewhere else to pay for it

 

You make enough money as it is. Do not change your 401K especially right now when the market may be going up.

 

Dont change your taxes anytime soon. If you appreciate the refund do it. You may want to consider seeing if itemized deductions may work out better for you then using the standards though.


You make enough money as it is you are just spending too much and it seems still having a hard time realizing that.

 

Look  so if we did my highlighted savings from above:

 

30+30+20+25+25+500= 630 a month.

 

in month one, you can pay off HSBC and 1/2AMEX, and you gain $19.00 a month as you have no HSBC payment to make

next month Amex and CITI1 and you gain $35.00 a month the following month

 

month 3 you pay CITI 2 and rest on Home Depot you gain $20.00- you have increased your money by 75.00 a month having those bills paid.

month 4 home depot gets paid saving you 33.00 a month.  

 

IN FOUR MONTHS YOU GAIN $110 A MONTH IN "INCOME' BY PAYING SOME BILLS.


So now you have 770 or so to play with. Coming up on Christmas and instead of charging presents you use/spend $500 of that monthly savings and put the 220 on some other bill.

 

Message Edited by usmc58555 on 08-30-2009 10:00 AM
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Anonymous
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.


@Anonymous wrote:
Yes - I contribute 6% to my 401k.  I have thought of changing my exemptions to bring home more money.  I usually end up with about a $2500 refund each year which I really like.  I'm afraid if I change it by the wrong amount then I'll end up owing at the end of the year.  Plus I won't be able to claim my son for much longer.  I'm not sure when you have to stop claiming your dependents but he will be out of school in about 2 years so I would assume it's coming up.  And yes - I know that the amount of money I spend on food is one of the 'easy'  ways that I can cut my expenses.  I am looking at that.  I am single but don't date and don't have many friends.  So entertaining isn't an expense of mine.  I stay home most of the time. 

Hello!  You're certainly at the right place to get help and you've gotten a lot of good advice.  It's a lot to digest all at one time so take it in steps.  See what will work and what you can stick with and you'll be out of this mess in pretty short order.  I suggest that you print out this entire thread so you can look at it all in one piece.  If you're making 100K per year, I think (hope) you may@ have misquoted your take-home pay?  Gross @ 100K would be 8333. per month.  You can't be in a 50% + bracket??  Help us out here.. 

 

Some suggestions I have: 

Stay with that 401K.  It's important and it's your future.  SS ain't what it's cracked up to be! 

 

Talk to your payroll clerk if you have access to them.  More deduction(s) will put extra $ in your pocket. 

 

Put it in SAVINGS at your CU!  You'll earn the interest on it instead of the FEDS. If you have to pay the IRS anything over your withholding, it's there.

 

Cut coupons!  (I confess, I cut them and kept them in the drawer until they expired....  UNTIL I watched my daughter check out $200+ in groceries and paid with coupons and $47!!!!)  Smiley Surprised

The checker will think you're pretty dang smart too!

 

Check into that insurance.  You're paying 2200 per year!  Call them, ask if they can lower it. If not, keep your coverages and increase your deductibles!

 

Looking at your "regular" monthly pmts, (HELOC, Pers. loan, Cars 1 & 2, Mortgage, Ins, and SL you're on the hook for $2316 per month.  Not much you can do with any of that until you get your CC's paid off.  First thing after would be that Pers. loan at 13%!

 

I had a little time on my hands last nite so I ran your numbers through a CC Calculator using the payments you're presently making.  Hopefully, this may inspire you to get busy on those cards!

 

                          Bal           Int           Min           Int pd          # pmts due

Citicard 1            464          13.24%    20              75                  27

HSBC                 362          29.5%      19            132                  27

Htrs                  1773          21.2%       55            874                 49

Target               3405          17.24%     90           1543                 55

Citi 2                  432          27.24%     20             169                 31

Home Depot       999          33.99%      33           1303                 70

Discover            3406         0% (til?)     70                             unknown

Amx                   600         17.24%      15             299                 60

CU- HELOC      7414           5.5%       120

CU Per Ln         3185          13.0%      180

Car pmt 1        15275           8.94%      511

Car pmt 2          7903           7.7%       197

Mortgage        100213          5.88%      838

Student loan     50655          6.75%      285

Car Insurance                                     185

 

                                                                      $4554 paid in CC interest ALONE!

 

ETA: That $4554 would look good in your bank account! 

 

Here's a link to the calculator: Credit Card Calculator - CalculatorWeb  You do the rest!  Smiley Very Happy

 

You can do this.  Just make a plan!  Good Luck to you!

D-R 

 

Message Edited by Desert-Rat on 08-30-2009 01:08 PM
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Anonymous
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Re: I make $100k a year and I'm still broke. Need some help.

Some very good ideas.  Thanks!   Regarding the 'unplug unused things'.   There are things in my son's room that never get used (unless he comes home) that are plugged up.  Do things that are off but plugged in really use that much electricity?  Never thought of that.  I'm going to start looking for things to unplug.
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