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Miseducation of Building Credit

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Miseducation of Building Credit

Building credit and obtaining credit are two things that's entirely different.

 

Obtaining credit is having several different credit cards with several credit card issuers with no means of building a credit relationship with them. You don't spend a lot, just enough to keep your card active. This will keep your minimum payment low just in case you get in a jam.

 

Building Credit is building a strong relationship with the card issuer. You have several cards with one issuer and you build a credit history with them over several years obtaining higher credit limit increases throughout the years.

 

Many consumers have credit cards but their history with them is less than avaerage. For example, you get AMEX Blue Preferred they give you a staring limit of 2K, you spend 80% of your credit monthly on things like cable, electric bill, gas bill, car insurance, home insurance/renter insurance. Those thing you are going to pay for every month any way. why not charge your card and just pay the card balance off. You are going to pay the credit card issuer or the company anyway. When you ask for an increase it will at the least justify your limit. They will look at how much you spend a month and how much you pay it off or do you carry a balance. Now you are building credit with the card issuer, just having cards and not using them is not building credit and thats the reason for below average credit limits. If you want to book a vacation save money and use that. Dont book a vactaion if you cant pay for it. Vacation comes once a year for the average consumer. If you cant save for a vaction in one year. The re-evaluate your finances and downsize on your spending habits.

 

Building credit is essentially what you want to do with each card issuer. Obtain one card and build on that you will be cap, depending on the card you get and on to the next one. Most consumer have several cards with no credit history with the card issuer. That is the sock drawer method and that's fine, but here lies a problem if you sock drawer a chase card with hardly no activity or no activity at all. If you apply for a new chase card what do you think your limit will be, since you have proven to them already that you don't want to build a credit relationship with them. You just want to obtain credit.

 

For most consumers this method is too late to apply, you have several cards already and the limits are not going up. This is the reason why. You have 37 cards and 30 cards is below 10K. How much credit history do you have with each issuer. 

 

So add up your chase, amex, citi, etc.

 

if you have 4 chase cards and your total limit is 5k and below. Over the years of your first chase card how much did you spend with them. You can use your statements to caculate this. so in 2010 you spent $1k, 2011 you spent 1.2K, and so on, this should give you an idea of the total credit limit chase gave you and the amount you spend over the years of being a chase card holder. Now average up all of your cards, if you would have simply used chase in the beginning. meaning your total usage would have been well over average and you could have had access to much higher limit with chase. and other card issuers would not have a problem extending you a higher limit.

 

Building credit is a longer process to achieve, but obtaining credit is easy.

 

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Re: Miseducation of Building Credit

This is more or less a blanket statement thread post similar to the one you started yesterday that doesn't apply to everyone and all lenders.  There are plenty of people that "build credit" through major banks while barely using their products.  Plenty of people on this forum have achieved multiple Amex 3X CLIs while only minimally using their card.  Others have done the same thing with Discover, swiping $5 in a single cycle and gettinga $5000 SP CLI right after.  My point is that while spend is certainly a consideration, there are far more factors outside of it that go into the ability to build credit.  One of the biggest ones that was mentioned to you in your other thread yesterday is income, something that you seem to be constantly overlooking.

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Re: Miseducation of Building Credit

As I stated in one of post. Income does play a factor. but modeling could have change. income multiplied by 5 is a consumer max total credit limit over all cards or use to be how they scored it......it could have change..... that I don't know........
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Anonymous
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@Anonymouswrote:

...  if you sock drawer a chase card with hardly no activity or no activity at all. If you apply for a new chase card what do you think your limit will be, since you have proven to them already that you don't want to build a credit relationship with them. You just want to obtain credit.

 


Since you ask, here's what happened with me.  I had a Chase card with a $9500 limit for several years.  Almost no spending, just a couple transactions a year.  Eventually I applied for two more cards.  The starting limits Chase granted were 32k and 21k.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous 

Since you ask, here's what happened with me.  I had a Chase card with a $9500 limit for several years.  Almost no spending, just a couple transactions a year.  Eventually I applied for two more cards.  The starting limits Chase granted were 32k and 21k.

 

 

Speculating your CS was somwhat higher when you were approved for the two Chase CC.


 

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LionLaw
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@Anonymouswrote:

Building credit and obtaining credit are two things that's entirely different.

 

Obtaining credit is having several different credit cards with several credit card issuers with no means of building a credit relationship with them. You don't spend a lot, just enough to keep your card active. This will keep your minimum payment low just in case you get in a jam.

 

Building Credit is building a strong relationship with the card issuer. You have several cards with one issuer and you build a credit history with them over several years obtaining higher credit limit increases throughout the years.

 

Many consumers have credit cards but their history with them is less than avaerage. For example, you get AMEX Blue Preferred they give you a staring limit of 2K, you spend 80% of your credit monthly on things like cable, electric bill, gas bill, car insurance, home insurance/renter insurance. Those thing you are going to pay for every month any way. why not charge your card and just pay the card balance off. You are going to pay the credit card issuer or the company anyway. When you ask for an increase it will at the least justify your limit. They will look at how much you spend a month and how much you pay it off or do you carry a balance. Now you are building credit with the card issuer, just having cards and not using them is not building credit and thats the reason for below average credit limits. If you want to book a vacation save money and use that. Dont book a vactaion if you cant pay for it. Vacation comes once a year for the average consumer. If you cant save for a vaction in one year. The re-evaluate your finances and downsize on your spending habits.

 

Building credit is essentially what you want to do with each card issuer. Obtain one card and build on that you will be cap, depending on the card you get and on to the next one. Most consumer have several cards with no credit history with the card issuer. That is the sock drawer method and that's fine, but here lies a problem if you sock drawer a chase card with hardly no activity or no activity at all. If you apply for a new chase card what do you think your limit will be, since you have proven to them already that you don't want to build a credit relationship with them. You just want to obtain credit.

 

For most consumers this method is too late to apply, you have several cards already and the limits are not going up. This is the reason why. You have 37 cards and 30 cards is below 10K. How much credit history do you have with each issuer. 

 

So add up your chase, amex, citi, etc.

 

if you have 4 chase cards and your total limit is 5k and below. Over the years of your first chase card how much did you spend with them. You can use your statements to caculate this. so in 2010 you spent $1k, 2011 you spent 1.2K, and so on, this should give you an idea of the total credit limit chase gave you and the amount you spend over the years of being a chase card holder. Now average up all of your cards, if you would have simply used chase in the beginning. meaning your total usage would have been well over average and you could have had access to much higher limit with chase. and other card issuers would not have a problem extending you a higher limit.

 

Building credit is a longer process to achieve, but obtaining credit is easy.

 


I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that for all banks.  Different banks have different priorities and different models.  Some banks are happy to grant you big CLIs even if you've been keeping their card in the sock drawer.  Others may keep your limits low even if you use their card regularly.  You can find anecdotal evidence all over this board of how lenders react to different scenarios.

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@LionLaw

I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that for all banks.  Different banks have different priorities and different models.  Some banks are happy to grant you big CLIs even if you've been keeping their card in the sock drawer.  Others may keep your limits low even if you use their card regularly.  You can find anecdotal evidence all over this board of how lenders react to different scenarios.


Completely true and not arguable.

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Anonymous
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Re: Miseducation of Building Credit

Hi Corp.  Good catch.  It's likely that my score was a little higher.  Don't think it was wildly higher though.

 

The OP's central idea is to suggest that if you establish pure sock drawer behavior with a CC issuer, they will not give you a bigger CL on the next card you apply to for them -- presumably even if you have great scores.

 

He gave Chase as an example.  In my case Chase gave vastly higher CLs on subsequent cards when my track record for years was 100% sock drawer.

 

I do really like our OP's emphasis on making sure you only buy things that you really need with credit cards.  Most people who advise high levels of spend (as he does) are implicitly endorsing unnecessary spending.  I am not sure it is practically possible for most of us to spend a lot on our personal cards and at the same time keep our spending frugal (parents who have big families may be the exception) -- so I am mildly skeptical that the advice he gives is truly actionable.  But I still like it that he explicitly warns people to only buy the stuff they need.

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Anonymous
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Re: Miseducation of Building Credit

@CreditGuyInDixie..... thanks for understanding

that the point I was trying to make. if your salary is 25K total limit should be 10K, 50K salary total limit should be 20K, should be 100K salary total limit should be 40K, and so on......

the reason is this. if your salary is 100K and you have 250K in credit. you lose your job, what means would you pay for the cost of living......you will dig into your credit cards, and think I will pay it off until I find another job, I was a victim us this when I was 18........most consumers don't report to the credit card companies when they even lose a job, now your credit is down the drain. and you will be file for bankruptcy.......cause lawsuit would be coming..........

depending on your income, a consumer should have at least 10 percent of their salary in a savings.......for worst case scenarios......... now with families its different......you have to factor in kid because their your responsibility.........child emergency fund should be 10% of your salary.........for worst case scenarios, 8% goes into your 401K………my purpose is to enlighten people of my situation......my situation does not apply to everyone

but you all are definitely right every bank is different. like everybody income or situation is different......dont expect to achieve anyone else high limits......you have to see their whole profile.......you have to know their income.........would you loan someone 100K and they salary is below the poverty line.........this same question goes into hand......for applying for a card that you friend have with a high limit and you didn't get that same generous limit he got.....as capital one one would say "what's in your wallet" what's in your profile (credit report, dti, income, how long has you held your job, balances, current total limit, there are a lot of things to be considered as a factor).

So don't look at the post…… and think it applies to everyone.......nobody file is the same.......if you had a prime score 840 which is almost perfect, but you salary is 23.5K don't expect them to be generous with a credit limit just because of your score.........

as an example: 23.5K a year, rent is $500, electric bill $100, used car note $200, insurance $100, using 4 things that you will be paying for on a monthly basis......

you salary 23.5K
total of bills listed is: $900 a month x 12month= 10.8K a year that out of your income.....so your actually salary is now 12.7K......

and to be honest most consumers, get a bigger income and feel they have to improve their standard of living because they income is better…….. just my thoughts.........building credit based on your income is for everyone to think about.......if I lose my job today and out of work for 6 months........could you or your family survive on your checking and savings account for 6 months while you look for job, or will you rely on credit cards to get you through the storm..........im just trying to open eyes & spark intelligent conversations
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