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Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

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Anonymous
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Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

Where does this myth come from?  What I'm referring to specifically is the paying down of revolving debt.  I've heard this from people I know, as well as members of this forum.  They wrongly think that carrying a balance (thus paying interest) and paying it down over a length of time is somehow "better" for their credit than just paying it off. 

 

I just ran into this with a guy that works for me the other day.  He finally just paid off all of his CC debt and was going to reward himself with by purchasing something he had wanted for a while for $400-$500.  He said that his plan was to not use his cards much any longer outside of this single purchase and to pay down that $400-$500 over the next 6 months or so to help "build his credit."  When I asked him why he wouldn't just pay it off right away (when financially he admits he can) he stated because it's better for his credit to do it over time.  I've had other employees of mine state similar things over the years to which I've corrected them.  I'm just not sure where this misconception comes from.  Any ideas?  All I can think of is that maybe people are seeing ads for self-builder type loans that suggest paying a loan down over time is good for your credit and perhaps they then think revolving debt works the same way?  I'm curious to hear opinions on this topic.

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Anonymous
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

I think it's a logical, albeit wrong, way of thinking about credit?

 

One would probably assume paying something over a year would build more credit than doing nothing on an open account, though that's wrong.

 

They probably think that way where you have to put in "work" (balances + paydown) to build it, rather than it building due to open accounts aging + posting a green OK every month on their CR + low utilization points (which would eventually happen too if you paid something down over a year).

 

A guy I work with says he wish he had a 30+ year TL, when I say his credit would probably jump much higher if he GWed his charge-off & lates on loan. He doesn't know file segmentations like dirty/clean, so whattya gonna do?

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Brian_Earl_Spilner
Credit Mentor

Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

People believe that showing use, building a history, and making payments every month is what you're supposed to do. People just aren't informed.

    
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Remedios
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

It's not a myth, it's a product of articles not differentiating between reported balance and carried balance.

 

If your friend was to pay off the entire amount, then not use his card next month and they all report $0.00, points are lost.

 

For anyone who does not hangout on a credit card forum, that would get interpreted as "no balance, lost points, carry balance"

 

On the surface, it does appear as if a person is being "punished" for having no balances, which ends up equating debt with balances. 

 

 

If I only had a dollar for every "paid off all cards, score dropped", I'd be able to take @Anonymous out for dinner. 

 

Just tell your friend to be a transactor. 

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SecretAzure
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

I can definitely see how one may come to this conclusion. Even score trackers and simulators give this impression.

 

For example, I sub'd for one month of myFICO tracking and used the simulator. It showed if I paid down my $105 utilization at $10 per month (which is impossible due to minimums being higher) over a year, my scores would theoretically rise by a significant amount. However, when I changed it to $40 per month, my scores ended up dropping in the same time period due to no actual usage.

 

As long as not carrying a balance across your entire portfolio drops your scores, there will be more people holding onto this belief. It seems counter-intuitive but so many resources lead one to believe it's true.

 

I really think that if you have at least one loan of any kind and you have $0 balances across everything else, your scores shouldn't drop at 0% utilization. Or if they have to, not for at least 1 year.

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Girlzilla88
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?

@Anonymous     I do know that some Banks/Lenders like to see payment over time for "Responisbly being able to make a payment for extended periods"     Typically it's 6 months, 1 year "threshhold" but I definitely wouldn't unless you want to have it longer, have it longer, I just do it that way of course for my Car (and well my house) ((unless it's on a specific pay plan)) so it can show I can make the payments for extended periods of time longer than 1 year.      It is seen as a positive and a lot of places will extend credit if they see you can make over your payment but still keep some balance for longer periods of time because they like that they receive fees on their end lololol.     What bank/lender wouldn't be happy about receiving fees if you still made your payments properly Smiley Very Happy     Is it better on your end to keep them longer no it's always best to pay it off rather quickly especially so you DON'T pay interest butttttt from the banks side they want to see long term use







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iced
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?


@Remedios wrote:

It's not a myth, it's a product of articles not differentiating between reported balance and carried balance.

 

If your friend was to pay off the entire amount, then not use his card next month and they all report $0.00, points are lost.

 

For anyone who does not hangout on a credit card forum, that would get interpreted as "no balance, lost points, carry balance"

 

On the surface, it does appear as if a person is being "punished" for having no balances, which ends up equating debt with balances. 

 

 

If I only had a dollar for every "paid off all cards, score dropped", I'd be able to take @Anonymous out for dinner. 

 

Just tell your friend to be a transactor. 


This seems like the closest answer I agree with, though I don't know why one would need to distinguish between a carried and reported balance. A balance is a balance in the eyes of a score; the only difference is one accrues interest charges and the other doesn't. It feels to me like PIF is the concept most people don't get rather than balances. Maybe that concept and its benefits are what articles need to drive home more often: get balances reported AND pay no interest -- a win/win.

 

The one possible exception I see to this is the very occasional card user, though I'm not sure they exist anymore. Does anyone really go a month without swiping, inserting, or tapping a card somewhere anymore? Even as a PIF'er, I find it nearly impossble to not have at least 2 cards report a balance each month, and I only need one to keep my score happy.

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Anonymous
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?


@Remedios wrote:

It's not a myth, it's a product of articles not differentiating between reported balance and carried balance.

 


Maybe to some degree, but almost everyone I know that carries balances on CCs is incurring more of a utilization-related hit than if they were to pay off all their cards and incur the AZ penalty.  Put another way, if they were to pay off their revolving debt that they wrongly believe they're supposed to carry to "build credit" the net change even after incurring the AZ penalty would still be positive.

 

It's also worth noting that the majority of casual people out there have no idea what their Fico scores are, so the credit decisions they make often just come from what they hear or believe they should do, not because of the change(s) they see to their Fico scores.  Us in this forum are obviously a different breed when it comes to this.

 

I was always raised to believe that if you use a credit card for something you're supposed to pay it off right away.  I was told it's good to have credit cards, but not get yourself into trouble with them.  That being said, even well before I ever found this forum and knew anything about credit my understanding was paying things off was what you're supposed to do and that carrying balances was a bad thing.  I never perceived the carrying of balances to be good for "building credit" which is why I started this thread inquiring where these ideas have come from.  I don't think it's any one single place, so that why I'm eager to hear where everyone else believes these things comes from.

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Brian_Earl_Spilner
Credit Mentor

Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?


@iced wrote:

@Remedios wrote:

It's not a myth, it's a product of articles not differentiating between reported balance and carried balance.

 

If your friend was to pay off the entire amount, then not use his card next month and they all report $0.00, points are lost.

 

For anyone who does not hangout on a credit card forum, that would get interpreted as "no balance, lost points, carry balance"

 

On the surface, it does appear as if a person is being "punished" for having no balances, which ends up equating debt with balances. 

 

 

If I only had a dollar for every "paid off all cards, score dropped", I'd be able to take @Anonymous out for dinner. 

 

Just tell your friend to be a transactor. 


This seems like the closest answer I agree with, though I don't know why one would need to distinguish between a carried and reported balance. A balance is a balance in the eyes of a score; the only difference is one accrues interest charges and the other doesn't. It feels to me like PIF is the concept most people don't get rather than balances. Maybe that concept and its benefits are what articles need to drive home more often: get balances reported AND pay no interest -- a win/win.

 

The one possible exception I see to this is the very occasional card user, though I'm not sure they exist anymore. Does anyone really go a month without swiping, inserting, or tapping a card somewhere anymore? Even as a PIF'er, I find it nearly impossble to not have at least 2 cards report a balance each month, and I only need one to keep my score happy.


The difference is someone on these forums vs someone that doesn't know they can let a balance report and then pay it off before interest hits. The average person just charges a large amount and pays every month.

    
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Anonymous
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Re: Myth that paying debt over time helps credit?


@iced wrote:

The one possible exception I see to this is the very occasional card user, though I'm not sure they exist anymore. Does anyone really go a month without swiping, inserting, or tapping a card somewhere anymore? Even as a PIF'er, I find it nearly impossble to not have at least 2 cards report a balance each month, and I only need one to keep my score happy.


This I definitely agree with.  I work in the restaurant industry and the amount of CC transactions today compared to 20 or even 10 years ago is obnoxious.  A decade ago it was close to 50/50, where currently we typically land around 85% of our transactions being on cards. 

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