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Kratos-TM
Frequent Contributor

New accounts and AAoA

Up until the new account is 12 months old, does FICO score it as zero in years for the AAoA calculation?

 

I have 4 new accounts that will be a year old next month. Although all 4 are 11 months old, are they counted as zero years old right now?

Myfico scores.....
EX... 805 (11-10-13)
EQ... 810 (12-02-13)
TU... 810 (12-02-13)
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: New accounts and AAoA

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.

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Kratos-TM
Frequent Contributor

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.


 

If so, that would be great. Right now my Experian is sitting at 4 years 9 months AAoA. The way I figure it is next month I might be more than 4 years 10 months because my new accounts are giving me zero years right now. I'm wondering if my AAoA might jump.......let's say from 4 year/10 months to 5 years.

 

If I'm making sense....

Myfico scores.....
EX... 805 (11-10-13)
EQ... 810 (12-02-13)
TU... 810 (12-02-13)
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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.


The AAoA minimum is 1 year in the FICO algorithm.

 

I think all tradelines are actually added in terms of months, then averaged by number of tradelines: that number is rounded down to the nearest year for FICO's calculation, with a result of <1 year being set explicitly at 1 year for the calculation.

 

Won't be a bump at the one year mark for AAoA, will get a bump potentially from inquiries dropping out of the scoring range, and there may be a seasoning boundary at the one year mark for tradelines.  I am sorta marking time with interest for when my AAoA turns two though Smiley Happy.

 

 




        
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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Kratos-TM wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.


 

If so, that would be great. Right now my Experian is sitting at 4 years 9 months AAoA. The way I figure it is next month I might be more than 4 years 10 months because my new accounts are giving me zero years right now. I'm wondering if my AAoA might jump.......let's say from 4 year/10 months to 5 years.

 

If I'm making sense....


Qualified maybe: AAoA loses a lot of resolution once you get beyond call it 4+ years.  We don't know where all the breakpoints are unfortunately, but for example going from 1 to 2 years is universally held to be a larger gain than 11 to 12 years: there's diminishing returns all over the FICO algorithm, and it would make sense that this is true in this case too.

 




        
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llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Kratos-TM wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.


 

If so, that would be great. Right now my Experian is sitting at 4 years 9 months AAoA. The way I figure it is next month I might be more than 4 years 10 months because my new accounts are giving me zero years right now. I'm wondering if my AAoA might jump.......let's say from 4 year/10 months to 5 years.

 

If I'm making sense....


Unless you have account or accounts older than 4 yrs 10 months added, or have a TL under 4 yrs 10 months drop, your AAoA would only increase by one month to 4 yrs and 11 months. No reporting TLs are 0 months old. They will always be at least 1 month old even if opened today.

 

ETA...I'm a slow typer.

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takeshi74
Senior Contributor

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Kratos-TM wrote:

If so, that would be great. Right now my Experian is sitting at 4 years 9 months AAoA. The way I figure it is next month I might be more than 4 years 10 months because my new accounts are giving me zero years right now. I'm wondering if my AAoA might jump.......let's say from 4 year/10 months to 5 years.

 

If I'm making sense....


You should be able to determine this based on the number of accounts on your Experian report and their ages.  AAoA calculations are generally done using months, IIRC, but I can't speak to how FICO handles matters specifically.

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Kratos-TM
Frequent Contributor

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Revelate wrote:

@Kratos-TM wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.


 

If so, that would be great. Right now my Experian is sitting at 4 years 9 months AAoA. The way I figure it is next month I might be more than 4 years 10 months because my new accounts are giving me zero years right now. I'm wondering if my AAoA might jump.......let's say from 4 year/10 months to 5 years.

 

If I'm making sense....


Qualified maybe: AAoA loses a lot of resolution once you get beyond call it 4+ years.  We don't know where all the breakpoints are unfortunately, but for example going from 1 to 2 years is universally held to be a larger gain than 11 to 12 years: there's diminishing returns all over the FICO algorithm, and it would make sense that this is true in this case too.

 


 

I wish we did know the breaking points. By my guessing, I think Experian likes 5 years to not be in the "low" AAoA category.

 

I had everything timed perfectly for my next app. In December I'm buying a major purchase, and I had it timed that my Experian would be at 5 years at that point. But one of my cardholders decided to sell to another company which means that I am getting another account on my report soon. This account will only be a year old, so it may set me back in my AAoA goals of reaching 5 years by December.  Smiley Sad

 

I guess I started this thread hoping there was some chance I could counter that set-back.....

Myfico scores.....
EX... 805 (11-10-13)
EQ... 810 (12-02-13)
TU... 810 (12-02-13)
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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Kratos-TM wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@Kratos-TM wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm not sure about the zero years old, but I do know that I saw a noticeable score bump when the four cards that I apped for at the same time hit their one year anniversary. I would expect you to see a boost, as well.

 

ETA: I've done a little reading and it seems that FICO doesn't round up, your AAoA would be calculated as zero years. So you should hit the one year mark soon and see a boost as a result.


 

If so, that would be great. Right now my Experian is sitting at 4 years 9 months AAoA. The way I figure it is next month I might be more than 4 years 10 months because my new accounts are giving me zero years right now. I'm wondering if my AAoA might jump.......let's say from 4 year/10 months to 5 years.

 

If I'm making sense....


Qualified maybe: AAoA loses a lot of resolution once you get beyond call it 4+ years.  We don't know where all the breakpoints are unfortunately, but for example going from 1 to 2 years is universally held to be a larger gain than 11 to 12 years: there's diminishing returns all over the FICO algorithm, and it would make sense that this is true in this case too.

 


 

I wish we did know the breaking points. By my guessing, I think Experian likes 5 years to not be in the "low" AAoA category.

 

I had everything timed perfectly for my next app. In December I'm buying a major purchase, and I had it timed that my Experian would be at 5 years at that point. But one of my cardholders decided to sell to another company which means that I am getting another account on my report soon. This account will only be a year old, so it may set me back in my AAoA goals of reaching 5 years by December.  Smiley Sad

 

I guess I started this thread hoping there was some chance I could counter that set-back.....


It's irrelevant with the scores in your signature: 760 is the max for any product out there and often it's 740.  I wouldn't worry about it, it won't make a difference in your rate as credit wise you're among the gold-plated elite.

 




        
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Kratos-TM
Frequent Contributor

Re: New accounts and AAoA


@Revelate wrote:
 

It's irrelevant with the scores in your signature: 760 is the max for any product out there and often it's 740.  I wouldn't worry about it, it won't make a difference in your rate as credit wise you're among the gold-plated elite.

 


 

You're right about the 760 thing. I just had this crazy goal to get one of my 3 scores to 800 by December. Been working on this goal for a year. Paid off 5 loans, 5 maxed out CC's, and gained big CLI's. Score jumped from 715 to 784. I'm gonna grab some more points next month when my 4 new accounts and inquiries hit one year. And my Experian hitting 5 years was supposed to be what tipped me over......LOL. Boy did I come close.......haha. Smiley Very Happy

 

Who knows though........lenders don't pull TU98, so there's a chance I might can hit it with the TU04 score when I purchase.... Smiley Happy

Myfico scores.....
EX... 805 (11-10-13)
EQ... 810 (12-02-13)
TU... 810 (12-02-13)
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