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@Anonymous wrote:
I had already researched that 30 days will only last about a year or so and then your score would start to go back to normal. But that 90 days was the big no-no and when that happens your score won’t rise again until it drops off!
This is not entirely true. The damaging impact of a 30-day late does not vanish after 1-year. That's the timeline for the damaging effect of an inquiry.
People here have conjectured that the damaging effect of a few 30-day lates begins to be softened after 24 months inside the FICO 8 model. That's softened but not eliminated. There's a lot of good reason to believe that conjecture. It probably gets softened further later still (e.g. 4 years, etc.) -- assuming the person has been a good scout for 4 years.
The older FICO models (including the ones used for mortgages) are far less "forgiving" and the Day 30 late appears not to be softened substantially until it leaves the report. Note that waiting for 7 years is not the only such strategy -- there are other strategies for removing the derog earlier.
@Anonymous wrote:
Just curious what happens if you have excellent scores, 750 and above, then you go 4,5 or even 6 months without paying and then pick up again as if nothing happened. I know 90 days seems to be the magic number when your scores drop like an anvil, but how long before it kicks back....if EVER?
It kind of sucks that you can pay for decades and never ONCE be late in your entire life, but then something comes up where you have to go a few months without paying and then you go right back to paying again, but from a scoring standpoint, it’s as if Armageddon had started...
What happens is your scores are wrecked and stay wrecked for years.
@Anonymous wrote:
LMAO! I loved the car analogy IV. I have to use that one in the future, but I’m going to claim credit for inventing it
Take it! (Please! I certainly don't want any credit/blame for bad car analogies!)
@Anonymous wrote:
Because either way you slice it, it is absolutely NOT the same thing to go what I am predicting to be 120-150 days late before I start again and then COMPLETELY pay back the ENTIRE balances plus all interest and penalties, as the guy who decided to just default and take off to Mexico!!!
Thing is, though... from the lenders' point of view it IS absolutely the same thing.
By 90 days, and certainly by 120-150 days, they're already assuming that your accounts are a total loss. Just like that runner to Mexico!
And even if you do end up paying the whole thing off, penalties included...
@Anonymous wrote:
And if you think that’s fair, then I would have to wholeheartedly disagree with you! And to be clear, I have not as you implied “DEFAULTED”, I am in fact presently in default, and there is a huge difference. When I start paying again and get everything current, I no longer will be in “default”
...it won't probably won't be to the original lender.
Because by that point you have defaulted. They will have started collections, tried garnishments, marked the accounts as write-offs...
...and probably sold off the bad debt to a collection agency at pennies on the dollar. They aren't waiting around knowing that you plan to pay them later.
If/when you pay off the remaining debt, it'll be to the collection agency (who will be VERY happy to collect the whole amount, plus fees from you - for a huge profit on their investment), but the original lender(s) will still have taken the loss.
@Anonymous wrote:
So I think the more proper car analogy is comparing me to having ONE speeding ticket, to the guy who is going to get a dozen more speeding tickets because he continues to speed and I don’t. In which case his drivers license will be in much worse shape and his insurance will cost much more. With that in mind, my score should reflect better for me and not get worse as the guy who keeps on speeding...
Except that each additional 30 days late (per account!) is basically those additional tickets. And each one (30-60-90-120-150) is, metaphorically speaking, breaking the speed limit by more each time. Eventually, your license gets revoked and you get banned from driving.
Getting a single 30-day late is the "ONE ticket" scenario - your 120-150 day estimate is repeatedly treating a 25mph school zone like the Indy 500. (ie: say goodbye to your license for quite some time.)
...ok, forget the car analogies. For your actual issue - have you communicated with your lenders, told them plainly what's going on?
If you can setup some sort of very minimal continuing payment plan, with a timeline for the full repayment, they MIGHT keep your accounts in-house and not sell them off. That way, you'd at least avoid the EXTRA negative items that would kick in with the collections accounts showing up on your reports, and you have a chance (if a small one) of them doing a goodwill removal of some or all of the lates at some point after your full repayment.
Not talking to them at all will let them assume that you've just pulled a "bust out", and they'll never hear from you (or get a dime) again...
@Anonymous wrote:
Anyway thanks for the replies everyone and keep in mind I’m not looking for any advice about which way to head, and I do NOT mean that in a negative way. I just mean to say I was only trying to find out if I had to wait a full 7 years or if maybe two or three years down the road the scores would start to increase without having to wait for that long!
Hey buddy. As I mentioned earlier, there are are strategies you can explore that would not involve waiting for a full 7 years. These strategies involve the creditor being willing to delete all the lates.
The strategies would mesh well with what your proposed overarching strategy is, which is to get back on the horse before Day 120 and begin making regular payments with (I presume) the goal of entirely paying all your debt off, and after that creating a history of perfect payments on all accounts.
Once you have been making perfect payments on all accounts for 25 months and all your CC debt has been paid down to 1% (for 7 consecutive months) I'd explore the Goodwill Letter Saturation Technique.
Refer to the below link for a prime example of impact associated with going 90 days late on 7 of 7 accounts. Score 600 => 460.
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/On-the-road-from-a-460/m-p/5340425#M265505