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Slab
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Old charge offs, New inquiries

I have some old charge offs or bad debts that collection agencies are trying to collect on and they have hard pulled my Transunion and Equifax. These were charged off in the year 2001. I recently applied and was approved for a new vehicle and I left my Equifax unlocked after the application and the CA swooped in and put a hard inquiry on my report. I have argued that the CA doen't have my approval for an inquiry and they will not remove the inquiry. Does anyone know how I should approach this? These 2 charge offs have not appeared on my credit reports since 2008 when they fell off.

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810 goal on all three by 3-1-2015
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llecs
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Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries

Are you still within SOL?

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Slab
Frequent Contributor

Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries


@llecs wrote:

Are you still within SOL?


I am in Texas and the SOL was 2005. I think that is correct, 4 years in Texas.

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llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries


@Slab wrote:

@llecs wrote:

Are you still within SOL?


I am in Texas and the SOL was 2005. I think that is correct, 4 years in Texas.


You mean a SOL of 4 yrs with a DOFD in 2005? I don't know if a payment or a debt admission can reset SOL in Texas, but assuming it fully expired and there were no payments on the debt since 2005, then I'd make the argument that they didn't have permissible purpose. While a CA can collect forever, and CAs do have permissible purpose [to pull your credit] per the FCRA, the debt is so stale and there's no reason to pull credit. I personally would send a non-PP letter if the inquiriy is inside a few months.

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Slab
Frequent Contributor

Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries


@llecs wrote:

@Slab wrote:

@llecs wrote:

Are you still within SOL?


I am in Texas and the SOL was 2005. I think that is correct, 4 years in Texas.


You mean a SOL of 4 yrs with a DOFD in 2005? I don't know if a payment or a debt admission can reset SOL in Texas, but assuming it fully expired and there were no payments on the debt since 2005, then I'd make the argument that they didn't have permissible purpose. While a CA can collect forever, and CAs do have permissible purpose [to pull your credit] per the FCRA, the debt is so stale and there's no reason to pull credit. I personally would send a non-PP letter if the inquiriy is inside a few months.


I have talked with one of the collection agencies and they told me that they had PP because they bought this old debt. I have tried several times to have the Equifax remove the inquiry and they always reply"an inquiry is a statement of fact". Sort of like, it is on your report, deal with it.

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810 goal on all three by 3-1-2015
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Slab
Frequent Contributor

Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries

The last payment on the debt was in 2000.

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810 goal on all three by 3-1-2015
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Anonymous
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Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries

If the last payment was in 2000 this is a clear case of reaging.  It should not be on your CR.  Do you have anything showing the DoFD or when your last payment was made?

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RobertEG
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Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries

As long as the debt remains unpaid, the debt collector can continue efforts to collect, regardless of CR exclusion or expiration of SOL for bringing legal action.

As long as they have collection authority, they have permissible puroose to make inquiry for a consumer credit report, exce[t om tjhe rare cases where the consumer's state statute stipulates that expiration of SOL also terminates the debt itself.  There are a few states that have such a stipulatiion in their statute.

Permissible purpose expires only upon termination of their collection authorrity.

There is no cear basis for disputing the legitimacy of their inquiry if the debt remains.

 

If one were inclined to be creative, it could be argued that, while they have permissible purpose, and thus may obtain the consumer's credit report, the CRA is barred from including the record of any such inqury in credit reports they issue under the credit report exclusion provision of section 605(a)(4).

That section stipulates that the CRA may not include the adverse item of collection on a debt in any consumer report they issue after 7 years plus 180 days from the DOFD on the OC account.  It could be argued that showing of an inqiry by a debt collector after the credit report exclusion period is the showing of collection on a debt, and is thus barred by section 605(a)(4). 

 

That wont prevent continued inquires, but would require the CRA to code them as "soft" so as to prevent showing in the conumer's credit report.

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Slab
Frequent Contributor

Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries


@RobertEG wrote:

As long as the debt remains unpaid, the debt collector can continue efforts to collect, regardless of CR exclusion or expiration of SOL for bringing legal action.

As long as they have collection authority, they have permissible puroose to make inquiry for a consumer credit report, exce[t om tjhe rare cases where the consumer's state statute stipulates that expiration of SOL also terminates the debt itself.  There are a few states that have such a stipulatiion in their statute.

Permissible purpose expires only upon termination of their collection authorrity.

There is no cear basis for disputing the legitimacy of their inquiry if the debt remains.

 

If one were inclined to be creative, it could be argued that, while they have permissible purpose, and thus may obtain the consumer's credit report, the CRA is barred from including the record of any such inqury in credit reports they issue under the credit report exclusion provision of section 605(a)(4).

That section stipulates that the CRA may not include the adverse item of collection on a debt in any consumer report they issue after 7 years plus 180 days from the DOFD on the OC account.  It could be argued that showing of an inqiry by a debt collector after the credit report exclusion period is the showing of collection on a debt, and is thus barred by section 605(a)(4). 

 

That wont prevent continued inquires, but would require the CRA to code them as "soft" so as to prevent showing in the conumer's credit report.


Your summary addresses my question perfectly. Who should I present these facts to, the collection agency or the CRA or both? Thanks a lot.

Equifax FICO 781, Transunion FICO 821, Experian FICO 807,

810 goal on all three by 3-1-2015
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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: Old charge offs, New inquiries

If you wish to pursue posting to your CR, the issue is not one of accuracy of credit reporting, so I would not pursue by way of dispute of accuacy of reported information.

An inquiry is not the furnshing of information to a CRA, it is just the opposite... it's a request to see what others have furnished.

 

I would begin by filing a complaint with the CRA, asserting their violation of FCRA 605(a)(4), whiich is the sectioh of statute that prohibits them from posting aderse information pertaining to collection on a debt to your CR after expiration of 7 yrs plus 180 days from the DOFD on the OC account.  Your suppostion is that an inquriy inherently notifies others of a delinquent debt and of collection by debt collector on that debt.

Reuest their cessation of inclusion of any inquriy by the debt collector in any credit report they issue, as required under FCRA 605(a)(4).

Expect them to blow off this strange assertion.

 

With their denial as documentation of efforts to resolve the issue, I would then file a formal complaint with the FTC, who has authority over administration of the FCRA.

Make the same case with them, and hope they agree and compel the CRA to cease inclusion of any such inquries in your credit report.

 

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