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Paid off BoA cards, now THIS???

I have 2 Bank of America credit cards. Up until a couple of weeks ago, they were maxed out. I took out a loan from my dad to pay off some credit cards, these 2 BoA cc's being the first to be paid off. I didn't pay them completely off; I left a few dollars on each card so that it didn't look like I was trying to pay them completely off to the point that I wanted to close both accounts. I was planning on paying them completely off on the next statements.  Well, I come home tonight and find I have 2 letters from BoA stating that they are "closing both accounts to  future charges due to a history of late payments with other creditors."  I've had both BoA cc's on Automatic Bill Pay for several years now, so I haven't had any lates with BoA. I guess they got their money & feel I'm not a worthy customer anymore!  Well guess what?  They probably won't care, but I just gonna tell them that I'm going to take our 2 retail stores' business (one store putting over $2m in deposits yearly, the other putting over $1m in deposits) away from them. We have an excellent Credit Union (the Pres is actually a good customer of our store) with many branches throughout the city and county that I think I'll take our business to!
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I actually own a percentage of one store and 100% of the branch store.

If that is the case, have you contacted the bank rep who handles your business banking? You don't necessarily have to make threats but that is up to you. The fact remains that the people who handle the business accounts know whether the businesses is in financial trouble or not. If the business is not in trouble, the fact that you are a sole owner of one of them should reassure Bank of America that you are not a risky customer for your personal lines.

 

You received adverse action for a reason. You may not agree with the reason, nor does the reason have to make any real sense. The main reason for adverse actions is to limit risk. If the bank is not aware of your personal (business) assets, it obviously has questions about your ability to repay future debt. Your personal banking profile might look risky when not taking into consideration your larger (business) financial picture.

 

 

Are you assuming these cards are business credit cards?  They are not.

I am not assuming anything. I am simply assuming that what you stated was true. Maxed out cards is a sign of risky behavior. Risky behavior is a reason for adverse action.
 

 

It's a matter of poor planning with keeping track of Due Dates; this has improved!

Even though you are keeping better track of your finances recently, the record is what it is. Generally people who pay late are considered a financial risk. If you own a successful business you certainly understand that bills must be paid on time.  

 

 

We've been in business for 36 years with a stellar D&B rating!

 

That's what I plan on doing, but I was kinda seeking advice from you experts on the best way to do this. My dad says to send them a Certified Letter and then call the phone # on the notice.

 

Have you considered a phone call to the person handling your business accounts? That person should be willing to intervene on your behalf with the personal side of the BoA banking relationship.   

 

 

I will not jeopardize the businesses with my personal matters!

 If Bank of America does not extend credit to the business, you can't jeopardize the business banking relationship. If the business does rely on BoA for credit, calling attention to the owner's financial difficulties may wave some red flags.

 

 

he's in complete agreement that it might be a time for a bank switch!

Usually people make business decisions based upon what is best for the business. If the business will benefit from changing banks I would by all means change from the bank to the CU. If the CU won't provide any positive benefits I don't see the reason for change. If the CU would provide the same or better benefits for the business and be willing to provide a couple high limit personal credit cards,that would definitely be reason enough to change. Another reason to change would be the fact that the CU president is a customer of yours and presumably could assure more personal service in the future. That would be my main consideration, when contemplating changing banks.

 

I would first call my BoA business rep and see if he can get my personal lines restored. Next I would call the president of the CU and ask him to issue higher limits on new personal CU cards. I would not transfer the business accounts until the CU provides high limit personal credit cards. If you want to play hardball, then play very hard ball. An owner of a million dollar business should be entitled to guarantees before switching banks.Smiley Wink


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It sounds like you're doing exactly the right thing, especially if you own those big of companies, I'd say do everything you can to stay away from BofA. I've had nothing but problems with them..

 

They seems to hire the most incompetent people. I'm not sure why, but I actually closed my account out after a few years with dealing with their garbage, I couldn't take it anymore.

 

Good move on your party, Rudy, I wish you the best of luck.

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You are doing the right thing. In addition, you are the one with the power.  They need you and you do not need them.  Feel good that you paid them off and found out now.  Besides, when you move your business accounts to the credit union, lets see who comes begging for you to come backSmiley Happy

 

The other great thing is that you helped your utilization and they are two more accounts that you will not have to worry about paying each month and you get to keep all the good history on your reports for up to 10 years.

 

 

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Rudy6897 wrote:
I have 2 Bank of America credit cards. Up until a couple of weeks ago, they were maxed out. I took out a loan from my dad to pay off some credit cards,

 

They probably won't care, but I just gonna tell them that I'm going to take our 2 retail stores' business (one store putting over $2m in deposits yearly, the other putting over $1m in deposits) away from them.


Do you actually own the business or does your dad? If you own the business why were your Bank of America cards maxed out? Why did you have late pays on other personal tradelines? Is the business in financial trouble also? If you actually own two retail stores that do over $2m business with Bank of America why didn't you point that out to the bank?

 

Threatening to take your $3M business elsewhere might cause some adverse action for the business accounts. If you actually own the business, it is your prerogative to jeopardize the business in these hard financial times.

 

If your father (who lent you the money to pay your debts) owns the business, I hope you discussed your intentions to threaten BoA with closing the stores' accounts.Smiley Indifferent

 

 

 

        


Rudy6897 wrote: 
I took out a loan from my dad to pay off some credit cards, these 2 BoA cc's being the first to be paid off. 

 

 Well, I come home tonight and find I have 2 letters from BoA stating that they are "closing both accounts to  future charges due to a history of late payments with other creditors." 

 

I guess they got their money & feel I'm not a worthy customer anymore! 


 

Bank of America got its money back on a risky account. The owner of a maxed out account has never been considered a "worthy customer". Owners of maxed out accounts that also have a history of late pays are considered risky customers. To limit risk a bank may temporarily or permanently suspend charging privileges.   

 

 

BoA probably thinks that you borrowed money somewhere to pay down your BoA cards. The bank may not have seen that your other maxed out cards were paid down yet. The Bank might be waiting to see what new debt appears on your credit reports.

 

You say that new charges were prohibited on your BoA accounts. You didn't say that the accounts were actually closed. It is perfectly logical that BoA might want to see if any more debt pops on your credit reports before allowing you to resume making new charges on your credit cards.

 

In any event congrats on being debt free at least as far as your credit reports are concerned. I wouldn't be too upset about not being able to make additional charges on your BoA cards. Until you borrowed the money to pay the cards off, you weren't able to make any new charges anyway. Did your father lend you the money specifically so that you could acquire more debt on your credit cards?


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In regards to Credit cards,  B of A is slimy, plain and simple.  I know too many people that have had issues with their credit card department.  Waaayy too many.  Do you know what I can't wait for?  I can't wait until the economy recovers a bit and all the customers that were treated crappy, actually have more options and dump the companies that treated them crappy when they needed them the most.  It will TRULY be a beautiful thing.  Karma goes a long way.
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@corkyduckfan wrote:
I can't wait until the economy recovers a bit and all the customers that were treated crappy, actually have more options and dump the companies that treated them crappy when they needed them the most.  It will TRULY be a beautiful thing.  Karma goes a long way.

I cant wait till they go belly up and even though they did everything possible to try to destroy my credit when I was paying them off in a DMP, I'll be the last man standing.

1/25/2021: FICO 850 EQ 848 TU 847 EX
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Do you actually own the business or does your dad? 

 

 I actually own a percentage of one store and 100% of the branch store.

 

If you own the business why were your Bank of America cards maxed out?

 

Are you assuming these cards are business credit cards?  They are not. 

 

Why did you have late pays on other personal tradelines?

 

It's a matter of poor planning with keeping track of Due Dates; this has improved!

  

Is the business in financial trouble also?

 

Absolutely not!  We've been in business for 36 years with a stellar D&B rating!

 

If you actually own two retail stores that do over $2m business with Bank of America why didn't you point that out to the bank?

 

That's what I plan on doing, but I was kinda seeking advice from you experts on the best way to do this. My dad says to send them a Certified Letter and then call the phone # on the notice. 

 

Threatening to take your $3M business elsewhere might cause some adverse action for the business accounts. If you actually own the business, it is your prerogative to jeopardize the business in these hard financial times.

 

How so?  And, NO, I will not jeopardize the businesses with my personal matters!

 

If your father (who lent you the money to pay your debts) owns the business, I hope you discussed your intentions to threaten BoA with closing the stores' accounts.

 

Absolutely did, and YES, he's in complete agreement that it might be a time for a bank switch!

 

 

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The owner of a maxed out account has never been considered a "worthy customer".

 

I guess I should more clearly state that the cards were, at that particular point in time, maxed out;  that doesn't mean that they've been that way for months or years!  In fact, I've I had one of the cards maxed out at least once in the past, and I've always paid it down or paid it off in full. 

 

BoA probably thinks that you borrowed money somewhere to pay down your BoA cards. The bank may not have seen that your other maxed out cards were paid down yet. The Bank might be waiting to see what new debt appears on your credit reports.

 

Why do you assume that I have other maxed out cards??? I don't!

And why do you assume there will be new debt on my CR???  There won't be! 

I'm moving to a "strictly cash" lifestyle.  I'm tired of the money these credit card companies & banks are making off of people!  I say they're "Double-Dipping"!  They're already getting rich off the rates they charge us retailers to process their cards @ Point-of-Sale.  I've seen the change in credit card usage. 20 years ago, credit card usage maybe accounted for 20% of sales; Now, credit card usage is up there in the 60% range.

 

You say that new charges were prohibited on your BoA accounts. You didn't say that the accounts were actually closed. It is perfectly logical that BoA might want to see if any more debt pops on your credit reports before allowing you to resume making new charges on your credit cards.

 

Here's the 1st paragraph of the letter:  "After a careful reveiw of your Bank of America account, we have decided to close your account to future charges. At this time, we will not authorize any further charges, cash advances, or overdraft protection on your account,,,,,,,,."

Now, does this mean that they are going to report to the CRA's that they have closed my accounts completely??? If so, this will have a drastic effect on my credit score.

 

Did your father lend you the money specifically so that you could acquire more debt on your credit cards?

 

That's a BIG assumption there!  NO, I will not go out and run my cards up!  Again, I'll state, I'm moving to a "strictly cash" lifestyle!

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I actually own a percentage of one store and 100% of the branch store.

If that is the case, have you contacted the bank rep who handles your business banking? You don't necessarily have to make threats but that is up to you. The fact remains that the people who handle the business accounts know whether the businesses is in financial trouble or not. If the business is not in trouble, the fact that you are a sole owner of one of them should reassure Bank of America that you are not a risky customer for your personal lines.

 

You received adverse action for a reason. You may not agree with the reason, nor does the reason have to make any real sense. The main reason for adverse actions is to limit risk. If the bank is not aware of your personal (business) assets, it obviously has questions about your ability to repay future debt. Your personal banking profile might look risky when not taking into consideration your larger (business) financial picture.

 

 

Are you assuming these cards are business credit cards?  They are not.

I am not assuming anything. I am simply assuming that what you stated was true. Maxed out cards is a sign of risky behavior. Risky behavior is a reason for adverse action.
 

 

It's a matter of poor planning with keeping track of Due Dates; this has improved!

Even though you are keeping better track of your finances recently, the record is what it is. Generally people who pay late are considered a financial risk. If you own a successful business you certainly understand that bills must be paid on time.  

 

 

We've been in business for 36 years with a stellar D&B rating!

 

That's what I plan on doing, but I was kinda seeking advice from you experts on the best way to do this. My dad says to send them a Certified Letter and then call the phone # on the notice.

 

Have you considered a phone call to the person handling your business accounts? That person should be willing to intervene on your behalf with the personal side of the BoA banking relationship.   

 

 

I will not jeopardize the businesses with my personal matters!

 If Bank of America does not extend credit to the business, you can't jeopardize the business banking relationship. If the business does rely on BoA for credit, calling attention to the owner's financial difficulties may wave some red flags.

 

 

he's in complete agreement that it might be a time for a bank switch!

Usually people make business decisions based upon what is best for the business. If the business will benefit from changing banks I would by all means change from the bank to the CU. If the CU won't provide any positive benefits I don't see the reason for change. If the CU would provide the same or better benefits for the business and be willing to provide a couple high limit personal credit cards,that would definitely be reason enough to change. Another reason to change would be the fact that the CU president is a customer of yours and presumably could assure more personal service in the future. That would be my main consideration, when contemplating changing banks.

 

I would first call my BoA business rep and see if he can get my personal lines restored. Next I would call the president of the CU and ask him to issue higher limits on new personal CU cards. I would not transfer the business accounts until the CU provides high limit personal credit cards. If you want to play hardball, then play very hard ball. An owner of a million dollar business should be entitled to guarantees before switching banks.Smiley Wink


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I guess I should more clearly state that the cards were, at that particular point in time, maxed out;  that doesn't mean that they've been that way for months or years!  In fact, I've I had one of the cards maxed out at least once in the past, and I've always paid it down or paid it off in full.

 

 Even if you have a history of paying down maxed out cards over time in the past, the current credit climate is a different matter. Many people who have been able to pay of debt in the past will not be able to pay it of in the future. The fact remains that the vast majority of people never max out credit cards even once. All recently maxed out cards in this credit climate definitely gives a bank reason to limit risk.

 


Why do you assume that I have other maxed out cards??? I don't!

 

The assumption was made because you had to borrow money to pay off the other cards also. Usually people don't have to borrow money to pay off small balances. They simply write a check and PIF.

 

 

And why do you assume there will be new debt on my CR???  There won't be!

 

I made no such assumption. I stated that BoA has no way of knowing if you borrowed money to pay of your BoA debt. ( you actually did  borrow to pay off the debt) It could take a month for that additional debt to to show up on your credit reports. It would also take a little time for BoA to see the balances on your other cards paid of. The bank might just be waiting to see if your overall utilization improves before reinstating charging privileges.

 

Of course there won't be additional debt on your CRs. You have managed to hide the additional debt by borrowing the money from your father. Bank of America has no idea where you got the money. Most people who borrow more money to pay off debt can't usually get it from a family member and must borrow elsewhere. Borrowing elsewhere usually means that the debt will subsequently appear on the credit report. If BoA did not reduce your limits, you could conceivably run up the balances on the BoA cards again before the additional debt appeared on your credit reports. 

 

 

I'm moving to a "strictly cash" lifestyle.  I'm tired of the money these credit card companies & banks are making off of people!


The banks primarily make the money from people who pay interest and fees by carrying debt. If people don't revolve balances the banks don't make much money. You are concerned about BoA suspending charging privileges. Strictly cash means that you don't need charging privileges.

 

Here's the 1st paragraph of the letter:  "After a careful review of your Bank of America account, we have decided to close your account to future charges. At this time, we will not authorize any further charges, cash advances, or overdraft protection on your account,,,,,,,,."

Now, does this mean that they are going to report to the CRA's that they have closed my accounts completely??? If so, this will have a drastic effect on my credit score.

 

You can call the bank and ask what it means. You could specifically ask what it will take to regain charging privileges. Many banks will not reopen closed accounts. Bank of America frequently closes accounts (temporarily) as a precautionary measure. The bank has no problem reopening accounts. It is entirely possible the letter means what it says. "At this time" seems to be temporary and not permanent in nature.

 

Closing you accounts completely will not have a "drastic effect" on your credit score if you have no balances on any of your credit cards. Just how low were your scores before paying off your balances? Those scores will not go up until all tradelines report the new $0 balances. BoA might simply reinstate your charging privileges when your scores go up.


 
I will not go out and run my cards up!  Again, I'll state, I'm moving to a "strictly cash" lifestyle

 

If that is the case why are you concerned about the BoA accounts or your credit score for that matter? Staying out of debt and paying all bills on time will automatically increase credit scores over time. "Going strictly cash" means staying out of debt. Right? You have effectively transferred all of your debt off of your credit reports by taking a loan from your father. You say that you have been doing a better job recently at being able to pay bills on time.  Therefore you should have no problem achieving a decent credit score.

 


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