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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off Collection?

Noah -   I don't get what you mean by that statement.    I mean you are telling the orignal Poster that if that don't give you a paid for deletion than don't pay them anything.   You are advising this person without telling them there could be serious ramifications by doing this.   being sued for judgment is a real possiblity for this person and you are giving dangerous advice.   Yes I agree if you can get  Paid for Deletion,  that is great  but if you are going to tell someone not to pay their debts then you should also explain to them the risks involved in that  as well. 
 
Also on the whole settled thing,  you keep bringing up settled doesn't mean any difference than paid based only on FICO  but you are leaving out that too can have risks involved, such as potentially having to pay taxes on that as earned income,  banks and other credit institution frown upon "settled". CA agency's have been know to be sneaky and sell the unpaid portion out out to other collection agency's.  
There is more to the world than just how it appears on the credit report or score.   There are many other factors involved and if you advise someone to do something risky you should at least advise them of the possibly consequences of doing so.  
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Anonymous
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Re: Pay off Collection?

Boswd,

 

I guess you missed the numerous posts where I mentioned SOL and elicited for specifics about the state of residence. As for serious ramifications, lawsuits are possible but lots of amateurs fight and win. Even when they sic a lawyer on you and file suit, you can still negotiate a settlement. The lawyers know that court is a crapshoot even when they've got all their ducks in a row. But the OP didn't indicate things were anywhere near that point.

 

As for the settled and 1099 issue. Yawn. I agree about reselling the unpaid portion, and I have stated that here or on another thread. Hence the reason why one negotiates for a PFD. Settled for whatever amount, be it the full amount or something less, delete all reporting, and the debt is satisfied.

 

Yawn. Doing something can have serious consequences. Doing nothing can have serious consequences. You can choose to be afraid, cower, bend over the barrel and just pay up whatever offer is mailed to you. Or you can choose to fight. I choose the later, it's held me in good stead, almost every person I've talked to on the subject has come out ahead because they fought, and anyone who's seeking advice on a credit board is likely looking to fight.

 

Incidentally, the CAs almost always offer a settlement, so the offers the CAs sent out are the ones most likely to screw over the consumer. More debt to pursue later when it's resold, tolling the statutes (if that's the law in that state), and no deletion of the TL.

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Anonymous
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So in your first paragraph you state if they bring you to court you can still work out a settlement.  yeah but why let it get to that point, if you have the means to pay it off.   So not only will you owe the original debt, you incurr the the court cost and PLUS you get a nice big judgment on your credit report for 7 to 10 years.
 
If the debt isn't your's than yes fight it tooth and nail,   If you know the debt is yours and it's all valid, then yes try very hard to get a PFD  but don't let it get to the point of when it comes to the courts. 
Message 33 of 58
Anonymous
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OK Bowsd the Saintly Knowledgeable One,
 
Well sit right back and you'll hear a tale. Only it's true and it's my story.
 
In 2002 (that's five years ago for the math challenged), I offered the OC $200 a month on a $3800 debut until PIF. Didn't attempt to haggle with 'em over reporting or anything. Just wanted to pay it off. I didn't know any better at the time, and I just wanted to pay what I owed. Monthly statements they sent, and continue to send to this very day, indicate the monthly payment is under a $100 so I'm offering them double what the original debt payment required.
 
Wouldn't talk to me. Referred me to the CA. Even made a suggestion to the rep I talked to, "So you mean if I just started sending y'all $200 a month along with the monthly statement you keep sending you, you're telling me you won't cash the checks?" They mumbled something about how I'd be violating the law. I figured it was BS at the time, but I didn't know any better that I shoulda been recording their calls (I was in a one party state at that time) and I coulda used that as leverage to negotiate a PFD.
 
Literally every call from the CA, which DW took, included a threat of harassment that constituted a violation. Again, had I known then what I know now, I could have easily racked up $15K to $25K in violations that I coulda sued 'em over, gotten a PFD, gotten the TLs deleted, and gotten paid by the OC for my troubles.
 
When I called the CA--think I called 'em myself twice--to see about setting up payment arrangements, they weren't interested in anything but a lump sum, which I did not have. Oh, and the "lump sum" they offered was for right around $3800 minus their CAs fees which totaled almost $6K. Big freakin' discount.
 
Before they kicked it to a lawyer last year, I C&D the CA. Dumb move perhaps on my part. They kicked it up to a lawyer last year, but maybe they woulda kicked it to a lawyer anyway. DVed the lawyer. They validated. Then sent a letter every month for a couple of months. I was hoping to find an SOL out and was letting it run for as long as I could. Finally, they sent a summons, but didn't actually file a lawsuit. In Washington, they could do that and if I didn't respond they could still get a summary judgement.
 
Filed an Answer and sent 'em a cover letter. Told 'em of my past attempts to settle this account. Said I knew they could get a 25% garnishment if they filed, but that I wouldn't be able to afford it, and I would have to move--probably outta state to a state that didn't recognize foreign judgements and/or the SOL had already run. Their choice to either settle with me or get nothing. Shock and surprise, we reached a payment arrangement. No judgement on my record for 7 to 10 years, and I've got a signed agreement from them. They can only report the debt until mid 2008, and if they foul with me now they are gonna be paying me for the violations they commit.
 
Bottomline in all this? The OC coulda accepted $200 a month and been PIF in early 2004. CA coulda accepted $200 a month and gotten their share of the debt by early 2004. No takers, so the lawyer gets his cut and the OC gets what's left over (which will be far less than the full amount).
 
These SOBs operate in large part on pride. They would much rather screw the consumer than get paid. Bright light in the tunnel is that consumers are becoming more aware, and despite the BK Reform Act a couple of years ago, I foresee legislation shifting the balance of power to the consumer in the next couple of years.
 
Meantime, why don't you FOAD and spare me your sanctimonious BS.
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Anonymous
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Excuse me you can't have an honest debate without resorting to that.  You're all about class. 
 
I'll bet you are leaving out some stuff about the whole collection process, which I know all too well about.   You said you offered to pay them $200 a month but they would accept it.    Now did they not accept it because they wanted an upfront down payment first ?   No collection agency is going to enter into a payment plan without some lump sum down payment.
 
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Anonymous
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Man, how true is that. I begged an OC to let me make good and take payments on a $10K + defaulted account. They refused, kept referring me back to the CA. It bounced around to 3 CA's over the course of a few years. End result? I paid them off at about 35%. But had they been flexible in the beginning, I would have paid the whole **bleep** thing. Plus, if the OC makes arrangements and you default again, they're STILL going to run you through the collection mill. So I guess I fail to see the logic of turning someone away.
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Anonymous
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I just looked back at this post from the beginning you also advised to pay by USPS Money order?   That is just the worst advice to give.  You never pay a debt collector by money order.   Do you know how much harder it is to prove you paid by a money order is as compared to a cancelled check or a debit card transaction.   You should not be allowed to give anymore advice to anyone.
You'll have everyone in court paying on Judgments and trying to prove a payment on money order.
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Anonymous
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Well that depens DV -  If the OC sold your debt, than they have no part at all in the negiotions and you are forced to deal with the CA that purchased the debt.   They are no longer in possesion of it.
 
 
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Anonymous
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Oh man, is that horrible advice. Only a fool gives a collection agency his checking info, a debit card, or a credit card. That's like letting the fox into the chicken house and telling him he can only have one egg. In fact, a postal MO is 100% trackable and verifiable. I've also used Western Union Quick Collect type services to pay off accounts.
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Neblett
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If a collection agency uses your bank account information for any transactions you did not approve, or withdraws money without your permission, they are liable to criminal prosecution, so I do not fear the henhouse metaphor.  Frankly, I'd rather be able to trace my transactions with them, than hope a money order that MIGHT be traceable makes its way to my account.
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