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Portfolio Recovery Associates

I just received a 1099-C from Portfolio Recovery Associates stating that the $6400 debt from 1996 has been sent the IRS and that I have to report it as taxable income.  I called the IRS first to clarify some things and then I called Portfolio Recovery Associates.  According to the IRS, Portfolio had written off the debt and no longer tried to collect on it.  When I called Portfolio she said that I still owed them the money.  I told her that I haven’t paid in all these years and that I don’t intend to pay.  She said that she would be glad to work out arrangements with me and asked for my bank info (I didn’t even fall for it) She then went on to say that they also have another $500 old account that belongs to me. I told her that I did not intend to pay either one.  Both are from my college days and that’s been almost 10 years ago. (they are not showing up on my credit report) She said that they will still continue to send me a 1099 every year until the debt was paid. I had a desist/cease letter on file with them since 2005.  At that time, they were calling me, harassing me, and threatening to garnish my wages.  I did not have the knowledge that I do now or I would have filed a formal compliant against them.

Anyway, I just checked my TU report a few minutes ago and they pulled hard inquiry 2/6/2008.

I also sent them another certified desist/cease letter dated 2/5/2008.  I checked the USPS website and they received it 2/8/2008.

Is there any way TU will remove this hard inquiry?  The account they are referring too has not showing on my credit report for almost 3 years now.  I do not have any other collections on my account.

 

What is the next step that I need to take?

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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

Zombie debt - are you past SOL (assumption on my part is yes) - file complaints with the AG of your atate and thiers for the hard pull on debt that cna't be collected on.
 
DV both accounts - you want to know what tney paid for the debt (they can't write off more than they paid for it) - so they may have some IRS filing violations also.  In other words if they paid $100 for it they can only write off $100 and 1099 for the $100 not $6500.
 
File a complaint ASAP with the IRS on that 1099 - and get with a tax guy - this is gonna get complicated.  You need an attorney to pursue in federal court.
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

Thanks for the info Lady Scarlet...I'm going to get started on the letters to my AG........The crazy part is that I have already filed my taxes using Turbo Tax...Now I have to go back in and amend them......gosh my head is hurting just thinking about all of this
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

Should I still DV if it is not showing  on my CR? 
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braznyc
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

Yes, do what Lady Scarlett is telling you. But NEVER talk to those people again. I read somewhere that this particular company was sued by the FTC, for some violations. Like Lady Scarlett said you need to DV them to see what they paid for the account, so you can get right with the IRS.

Here is an article I was reading just last night about "zombie debt", very interesting and helpful. They even list a lawyer who has a website that is well versed in fighting these kinds of cases. I saved the article because I'm dealing with a JDB right now.

I am curious though if there is a time limit on the 1099-C but I'm guessing not.

Zombie Debt is Hard to Kill
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

Thanks braz
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

1009-c instruactions (for the CA) -- go thru and read these 'cause if they messed up the IRS will deal with it (and them)


Message Edited by Lady_Scarlet on 02-10-2008 06:05 PM
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

I would not redo your taxes!!!!  for 1 thing if anyone filed legally with the IRS it would have been the OC years ago!   The filing that the CA did might be illegal.  Also keep in mind how many OCs and CAs that might have notified the IRS & the IRS has done nothing!!!!
 
Do not talk to them again....call your AGs office (I would call & file a complaint over the phone) The AG If they are like in my state will notify the CAs AG and should work with the FTC and IRS......this is not a simple thing & might carry not just fines but jail time for them.
 
I would take what the CA said as a Threat which is illegal.
 
Get as much in writting as you can.......ask the AG  what your laws are in your state!!!!!
 
Send a DV   CMRRR  asap      IF they answer it they might change dates & bury themselves deeper.
 
 
CERTIFIED MAIL #: _______________________________________________________
Your Name
Your Address
YourTown,, State ZipCode

Debt Collection Company Name
Their address
Town, State ZipCode

Date:

Re: Debt Collection Company Name; Acct # Debt Collection Company #; Original Creditor Name; OC Acct #

To Whom It May Concern:
This letter is being sent to you in response to a notice sent to me on DATE. Be advised that this is a notice sent pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, 15 USC 1692g Sec. 809 (b) that your claim is disputed and validation is requested.
This is NOT a request for “verification” or proof of my mailing address, but a request for FULL MEDIA VALIDATION made pursuant to the above named Title and Section. I respectfully request that your offices provide me with competent evidence that (a) the account is valid, (b) the amount allegedly owed is accurate, and (c) I have a contractual obligation to pay Debt Collection Company Name for this alleged debt.
All of the following MUST be provided to adequately validate the authenticity of the alleged debt AND provide proof of my contractual obligation to Debt Collection Company Name for this alleged debt:
• Signed credit application between myself and the original creditor
• Copies of all signed vouchers from the date account was opened until default
• Copies of all statements from the date account opened until default
• Proof of the statute of limitations
• Proof of agreement that you were hired by the Original creditor (creditor as defined by the FDCPA) or
• A copy of the contract Debt Collection Company Name purchased the alleged debt.
• If the alleged debt was purchased, provide a copy of an agreement between Debt Collection Company Name and myself, signed by me, stating that I have a contractual responsibility to Debt Collection Company Name for the alleged debt
• Provide proof that Debt Collection Company Name is bonded/Licensed for debt collecting in the State of Your State
Be advised that failing to provide ALL of the media requested to validate the alleged debt will invalidate any and all claims Debt Collection Company Name is asserting regarding this alleged debt. If Debt Collection Company Name can NOT provide all of the validation media requested above, ALL collection efforts MUST be stopped and the account MUST be DELETED from the Debt Collection Company Name. If you can NOT validate your claim, you can NOT, by law, collect on it, or SELL it to another collection agency. Also, reporting a debt to the credit reporting agencies that can not be validated is a violation of the FCRA (Fair Credit Reporting Act), and carries a $2500 fine to be paid to me. I have two years to decide if I want to pursue this matter. PLEASE GIVE THIS MATTER THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES.
If your offices are able to provide all of the validating media as requested, I will require at least 30 days to investigate this information, and during such time, all collection activity must cease and desist.
I am also stating, in writing, that no telephone contact be made by your offices. If your offices attempt telephone communication with me, including but not limited to computer generated calls and calls or correspondence sent to or with any third parties, it will be considered harassment, and I will have no choice but to file suit. All future communications with me MUST be done in writing and sent to the address noted in this letter by United States Postal Service.

Best Regards,

Your Name

Of course never sign the DV 
 
send this letter along with DV        as always make changes where needed
 
 
Your Name
Your Address
Collector's Name
Collector's Address
RE: [insert account number or name of account or name of debt]:
Dear [insert collector's name or company name],
This letter is in response to your [letter dated xx-xx-2005] (copy enclosed) or [phone call on xx-xx-2005], concerning the collection of the above referenced [account or date].
I do not believe I owe what you say I owe therefore I dispute this debt. I am well aware of my rights under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) and my state laws so I hope to save both of us a great deal of time by letting you know that not only do I dispute the validity of this debt, I have also checked with my State Attorney General and verified that the Statute of Limitations for enforcing this type of debt through the courts in (insert your state or the state in which the contract was signed) has expired. Therefore, should you decide to pursue this matter in court I intend to inform the court of my dispute of this debt and that the "statute of limitations" has expired.
This letter is your formal notification that I consider this matter closed and demand that you, or anyone affiliated with your company, stop contacting me regarding this or any other matter except to advise me that your debt collection efforts are being terminated or that you or the creditor are taking specific actions allowed by the FDCPA or my state laws.
Be advised that I consider any contact not in accordance with the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act a serious violation of the law and will immediately report any violations to my State Attorney General, to the Federal Trade Commission and, if necessary, take whatever legal action is necessary to protect myself. Be advised that I tape record all phone calls and violations of the FDCPA can result in you or your company being personally fined up to $1,000 per incident.

JUST TYPE YOUR NAME
 
 
this is letter to send any CA  that pulls hard copy    if they did  send it also along with other letters
 
keep copies of all letters & send CMRRR  (non PP is NOT for the CRAs   ONLY CA)
 
 
Non-PP Puller Company
Address
City State Zip Code
 
To Whom It May Concern:
 
I have noticed that you have placed an inquiry on my _________ credit file dated ________. As you probably know, Credit Reporting Agencies treat inquiries as a statement of fact and will not allow a consumer to dispute them. Since it is against federal law (Fair Credit Reporting Act -- 15 USC § 1681n(a)(1)(B) for an entity to view a consumer’s credit report without a "permissible purpose," I am writing to inquire as to your alleged purpose for doing so since I did not apply for employment with your organization nor did I request credit from your organization.
 
[Describe any additional details about the inquiry here if need be. For example, your a subscriber to XXXX monitoring service and XXXX company pulled a "hard inquiry" on one of your reports.]
 
Based on the evidence in my possession, this inquiry was performed under false pretenses as described in the clear language of the law. 15 USC §1681n(a)(1)(B ) states, in part, "in the case of liability of a natural person for obtaining a consumer report under false pretenses or knowingly without a permissible purpose, actual damages sustained by the consumer as a result of the failure or $1,000, whichever is greater;"
 
You are civilly liable to me in the amount of $1,000.00 for your willful violation of the law -- performing a "hard inquiry" on my __________ file without my permission. I do hope that we can settle this matter amicably. You can remove the inquiry within one (1) business day of the receipt of this notice. Or, we can meet in court where you will end up removing the inquiry, paying me the civil liability fine, punitive damages for my score drop, plus court and attorney fees. The choice is up to you.
Please contact me immediately at the address listed below.
 
Sincerely,
     type name
Consumer
Address
City State Zip Code


 


Message Edited by HappyDays on 02-10-2008 03:00 PM

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Message Edited by HappyDays on 02-10-2008 03:07 PM
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

Thanks Happy Days...all I had to do was cut and paste ...going to the post office tomorrow..Smiley Tongue
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Anonymous
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Re: Portfolio Recovery Associates

I filed a complaint with the FTC and I didn't expect to get a response.  They actually emailed me.  Wow!!!
 
Here's what they said after I reported Portfolio
 
  Thank you for contacting the Federal Trade Commission.  We entered the
information you provided into our shared law enforcement data base. We share
this data base with Federal, State and Local law enforcement agencies. Attached
is your electronic response, which includes your reference number. Any
enclosures can be found at www.ftc.gov under Consumer Protection and Consumer
Information section.
   Information from consumers like you helps Federal, State and Local
authorities investigate possible illegal practices and enforce our laws. Someone
from the Federal Trade Commission or another law enforcement agency may contact
you if they need additional information to help them in an investigation.
   Please visit the FTC's web page, www.ftc.gov, to get free information to help
you avoid costly consumer problems.
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