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Previous Late

Hello all. I have a student loan that I am currently paying off and will be paid off completely by the end of 2016. I had some late payments on the loan, with the last being in March of 2009. Been on time since. I want to know how long will that delinquency continue to report? Will it remain for 7 years after I pay the loan off? Or will the delinquency drop after 7 years from the missed payment?
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Anonymous
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7 years from the missed payment.

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gilesjp1
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Fico will stop using  the late in its score calculations 7 years from the occurance of the late pay, however the account history will remain for 10 years after the account is paid. IMHO its best to let the late fall off in March/April then pay off the account removing all traces of the late payment.

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RobertEG
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The CRAs are required to cease the showing of a monthly delinquency in any normal,, routine credit report they issue after 7 years from the date of the delinquency.

While only excluded from the consumer's credit report and not actually deleted from the consumer's credit file, it is effectively "deleted" in the sense that others wont be able to see it.  The distinction between credit report exclusion and deletion is not significant in scoring or in simply review of a consumer's credti report.

 

It only becomes significant should a party seek a full factual credit report that can, under very limited circumstances, be requested and obtained from a CRA.

Circumstances under which a normally excluded item can be shown in a special consumer credit report are set forth in FCRA 605(b), and are rarely requested.

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Anonymous
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Thank you all for your thorough responses. I'll be monitoring it closely as I don't anticipating paying the loan off before the 7 years arrives.
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Anonymous
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Hello, KM85.  Congrats on your careful following of your own profile.  Good for you!

 

Quick question: when your student loan is paid off at the end of 2016, will that be your only open installment loan at the time?  Car loans, other student loans, mortgages, etc. are all examples of installment loans.  When an installment loan is paid off and it is the only open installment loan you have, that can cause your credit score to temporarily take a hit.  There's some pretty painless ways around that if you want us to tell you about them.  Or you can just let the hit happen and not worry about it, which is fine too.

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Anonymous
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CreditGuyInDixie, good question. If I don't open up any more credit between now and then, I will not have any open installment loans. Please advise on what I can do to avoid taking that hit.
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Anonymous
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Here's the simplest and most illuminating way I know to describe it.  Key principle:

 

  • All credit profiles are penalized if they have no open installment loans of any kind, or if they do but the total amount they owe on installment debt is very close to the total amount they originally borrowed.  Both situations involve being penalized, even if the person doesn't realize it. 

When a person has a single open installment loan, he is gradually paying more and more of it off.  In the last few months of the life of the loan, he has gotten to a place where almost all of his installment debt has been paid off.  Let's use a $20,000 car loan or a $20,000 student loan as an example.  At first you owe almost the entire 20k.  The percentage you still owe on your open debt is high: close to 100%.  But in the last few months of the life of the loan, you may only owe (say) $1000.  The percentage you owe on your open debt is very low: about 5%.

 

At the end of the life of your loan, FICO is rewarding you for having an open loan, and is also rewarding you for having paid off most of that open loan.

 

When the loan closes, you are no longer getting FICO points for either thing.  That appears at the time to be a "hit", but in fact it is the normal state of FICO scoring when you have neither gold star going for you.

 

The solution that people here have found is to open what is called a Share Secure loan.  The loan can be quite small ($500 is fine) but it should be for a term of 4 years, longer is better.  A couple months after opening it, you then pay off most of the principal (but not all) and then keep the loan open for the full term of the loan.  The result is (very quickly) an installment loan on your reports that appears to be mostly paid off, and since most of the principal is paid off, you pay very little interest.  Alliant is one lender that appears very cooperative with this approach.

 

Note that this nice little technique helps you if (a) you need the extra points and (b) you are fairly sure you aren't about to be getting another big installment loan (like a 20k auto loan),  If you get a big car loan, then the fact that the Share Secure loan is mostly paid off will be largely overwhelmed by the fact that the auto loan is not.  Some people choose to not worry about adding the Share Secure loan until later, closer to when they need the extra points.

 

Let me know if this makes sense.

 

PS.  If it seems like FICO is not giving you any scoring benefit for having successfully managed and paid off an installment loan over time, that's not true.  You do get some scoring benefit for having successful closed installment loans.  It's just that, for good or ill, the principles above still apply and the latest FICO models like it when you have some open installment debt that is mostly paid off.

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Anonymous
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Ok thanks for the tip. My questions are: 1. How much of a hit would I take once my loan is paid off? 2. Would my score increase over time without taking out another installment loan on its own? My FICO 8 scores are: EQ 720, TU 692, EX 705
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Anonymous
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Do you have any "negative" data on your reports?  (Besides the one late on the one student loan?)  This includes lates, collections, charge offs, etc?

 

How many credit cards do you have?  When was the last CC opened?  When was your oldest account on your report opened?

 

Do you know how to calculate your total credit card utilization?  What is that right now?  Are you currently able to pay your credit cards in full?

 

If you can answer these questions it will be easier to describe how high your score could go and how quickly. 

 

PS.  Do you see yourself needing to make a major credit purchase like a house or a car in the next 2.5 years?  What tools are using to check your credit reports and credit scores?

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