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8isnuf
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Rant....open to suggestions

So I endured a lengthy divorce which caused me to lose my job, incur more debt to make ends meet, and a whole host of other things.  I decided to pull up my adult pants and do what I could to tackle all the debt, which is about all I received in the division. There are certain debts which are in my name but assigned to ex-spouse and others that are in ex-spouse's name and assigned to me. You may have quessed that ex-spouse is not paying. Therefore, I pay what I can but if I cannot pay something, it is the debt in ex-spouse's name.

 

My rant regards Conn's Home Plus. I was personally going to the store and paying the payments via money order; however, I cannot do this now because of the location and hours of operation. This debt was assigned to ex-spouse but each month I mailed payments weeks in advance via money order for more than the minimum payment (they kept insisting on bank drafts at the time of purchase which made me uncomfortable). I keep copies each money order. I received credit monitoring alert about a delinquent account. As you might have quessed, Conn's is reporting me as delinquent. I have sent letters, emails and repeatedly called since the alert but could never get a response. 

 

I contacted the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau last month.  I provided copies of the money orders with my complaint. Conn's replied and stated that I did not make the payments and it is reporting everything accurately. I replied explaining that I provided the proof of payments but the CFPB closed my complaint anyway.

 

Yesterday, I called Conn's and kept being told I just did not make the payments (it was a foreign call center). I explained that I had copies of the payments made. I was instructed to call back Monday and see if someone could help me further. Not satisfied, I called the store location where I made the bad decision to open the credit line. I requested to speak with the manager who was conveniently in a meeting. Someone who told me he was the assistant manager got on the line. He explained that payments are not accepted at the store.  Odd, as that is where all of my payments were made. He told me that all mailed in payments are shredded. They do not alert anyone that the payment should be mailed elsewhere. I am livid!  My credit score was already damaged but it has taken another nose dive. 

 

I submitted a claim to the place where the money orders were purchased hoping it will not take months to get my money back. Now I am trying to decide on my next move to address the issue with Conn's. I live in a one party consent state and I recorded the telphone call with the assistant manager. I welcome suggestions, advice, wisdom. 

 

Also, the payment history provided by Conn's to the CFPB has an entry which says, "Current Unearned Amount". Can anyone enlighten me as to what that amount represents? 

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Cowboys4Life
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Re: Rant....open to suggestions

I submitted a claim to the place where the money orders were purchased hoping it will not take months to get my money back. Now I am trying to decide on my next move to address the issue with Conn's. I live in a one party consent state and I recorded the telphone call with the assistant manager. I welcome suggestions, advice, wisdom. 

 

Also, the payment history provided by Conn's to the CFPB has an entry which says, "Current Unearned Amount". Can anyone enlighten me as to what that amount represents? 


That unearned amount is the interest that is accruing on the account but not collected from you yet.

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8isnuf
Established Member

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Thank you for that explanation. I just did not recall seeing this before. None of the information provided from that company makes any sense. 

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KatSoDak
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I suggest contacting your state's Attorney Generals office that deals with consumer affairs, especially now that you know the payments were shredded!  

 

It is the responsibility of these offices to act on consumers' behalf.  I think you will get results. My situation was completely resolved once these guys got involved a few years ago.  

 

My situation was different than yours but like you I got nowhere dealing with the creditor. It took ONE letter from the AG office of consumer affairs and my creditor removed 3 years of unauthorized "account protection" charges, resulting in a sizeable check cut on my behalf.

 

Good luck. 

 

 

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8isnuf
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Thank you. I was considering that. I am rarely speechless but when I heard that I had no idea what to say. The tone was so matter of fact like it was really no big deal because I "can request a refund from the money order company because they haven't been cashed in". 

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hdporter
Regular Contributor

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I'm sorry to be late to the game.  I don't browse posts here frequently ...

 

Most people don't encounter a problem such as you've experienced.  They receive a bill from a creditor and, if they make payment by mail. use the return envelope for payment, which ensures that it's mailed to the proper address. 

 

It's a critical mistake to think that you can use your best judgment on where to mail a payment yourself without getting authoritative confirmation first.    In other words, you didn't physically pay anything to your credit account.  While they may accept payments at the store, you billing and/or account agreement stipulate the only address at which mailed payments will be accepted.

 

Conn's wasn't responsible for their refusal to process a mailed payment (although it's pretty crappy of them to destroy your payments without making some effort to contact you and advise you of the error ... but that's their perogative in this situation).  Synchrony, the account issuer to whom payments are due, has no way of knowing about the payment attempts, until such time you try to work out some type of resolution with them.

 

Now, don't get the impression that I'm trying to bust on you over this.  We all make errors and are responsible for the consequences.  I look to clarify where you stand in this circumstance and then address your best course of action by which to recover.

 

You've fortunately held onto the money order copies (which out which you would have been SOL in recovering your funds).  So hopefully that will be resolved with time.

 

The remaining issue is to pay the delinquent balance as soon as possible to avoid further damage to your credit history (the account appears to be reporting in your name).  For the time being, you'll likely have to pay late payments penalties as well.

 

A critical aspect underlying most of the problems here is that it appears that you aren't receiving the monthly statements on this account.  I assume that because your first indication of the delinquency was a credit monitoring alert, rather than a statement, which would have alerted you to a problem much sooner.  Whatever the problem is here, resolve it ASAP.

 

A statement will advise you of how best to contact Synchrony re your account.  (It's not clear how you previously made contact.)  When calling, you need to specifically ask to speak to an account manager and explain the situation, asking if they can help you mitigate the situation by possible removal of delinquencies on your credit report and a full or partial reversal of some late fees.

 

I'll suggest that they're under no obligation to grant you anything.  They're obligation as account issuer is to see that payments that are made as directed are credited.  So, I'll suggest that your request is being made "hat in hand".  A strong issuer would acknowledge your misunderstanding re payment policy and do what they can to assist.  Synchrony has a mixed record on that account.

 

If an account manager says they can do nothing to help, ask how you might appeal this.  If they fail to assist further with such an appeal, your best recourse may be to reach out with a letter to an appropriate executive at Synchrony. 

 

Elliott Advocacy suggests the following contacts at Synchrony:

 

Executive Contacts

<mod edit: removed names and contact information>

 

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this information.

 

I would suggest attempting a resolution with the State AG only after attempting these avenues.  Again, on the basis of the facts that you present, Synchrony committed no wrongful act. 

 



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8isnuf
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Thank you @hdporter for your thorough explanation. I take full responsibility for my errors in the matter (the main one being opening the account); however, I do not receive statements nor do I receive any account information when I have requested it in the past.  The only thing I receive are advertisements telling me that I am preapproved for more credit. I cannot even get anyone on the telephone despite the number of times I have tried.

 

One thing which may change your analysis is that this account is not with Synchrony, it is a store account. I mailed each of the three payments in weeks before the due date. Normally, they burn up my telephone with incessant calls and text messages before the payment is due each month; however, I received no calls, messages or any other notice regarding the payments. I got the credit monitoring alert after mailing the third payment but weeks before it was due as well.  I would have addressed the payments sooner if I had any indication that these payments were not being credited. Additionally, I have always made my payments at the store and this account was opened in late 2020. I had no reason to believe this was not a proper way to remit my payments. 

 

I found an email address for the new CEO (the previous one was ousted because of some legal issues). I emailed her and one other executive. I received read receipts for my emails. The email sent to these executives were repeatedly opened (24 or more times) but I received no response. I plan on following up again with another email and certified mail.

 

I acknowledge my fault in this matter but the store employees could have simply refused the payments received via mail by writing return to sender on the envelope. I am of the opinion that the policy of shredding payments cannot be justified in any way. 

 

Again, I appreciate the feedback.  The issue strikes a nerve and any irritation in my reply is not directed at you,  or your response. I always welcome all suggestions, good, bad, or indifferent. 

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hdporter
Regular Contributor

Re: Rant....open to suggestions

I appreciate very much that my comments were accepted in a constructive manner.

 

Re the Conn's Home Plus credit programs:  After reviewing their webpage, I feel very confident that the credit card program involved here is owned and operated by Synchrony and that Conn's has no part in the management of the program, beyond staffing a credit services desk in the store.

 

Re monthly statements:  It's a matter of inviting difficulties to actively use a credit card account for which you don't receive monthly statements.  There's no excuse for a credit program not providing such statements upon request (it should be automatic, provided they have your correct address on file).   Further, I would strongly advise anyone who isn't receiving monthly statements not to make use of such an account, until such time as monthly statement service was restored.

 

There are simply to many things that can go wrong and it's critical to review your monthly account activity to catch any inaccuracies before they snowball into greater problems (this instance an example). 

 

My concern is that if you attempt to resolve this through the store, you're dealing with it indirectly and may achieve subpar results.

 

Re store payments:  I grasp that payments in person are accepted at the store.  And I understand the reason why you stopped making such payments in person.  But I'll stress that even though you formerly made payments in person at the store, that gives you absolutely no basis to assume that mailing a payment to the store will be correctly credited to your account, UNLESS information on the statement specifically advises that payments to that address are acceptable.  I grasp the assumption you made, but unfortunately it wasn't correct.

 

I stress the points above because, in your attempts to resolve this in your favor, stressing information that is (at least partially) at odds with the bottom line facts will not work to your advantage.  It's important to recognize that some of your actions may have contributed to the problems you have experienced.  It working with someone to make the best of things as they are, it may be best to largely set aside discussion of what led up to the present disposition of things and simply focus on what can be done now to make things "better".



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8isnuf
Established Member

Re: Rant....open to suggestions

@hdporter I saw your response and googled Conn’s Home Plus. The first result displayed:

4 easy ways to pay:

  • Online
  • Over the phone
  • At the store
  • By mail

I assure you that this is not a Synchrony credit card account. Conn’s has in house financing normally for those which Synchrony will not approve; however, I do not think they even attempted to run my purchase through Synchrony because there was no credit inquiry from Synchrony.

 

See Yes Money retail installment contract financing. The following was copied from their site:

Subject to credit approval. Conn’s HomePlus Financing is offered by Conn Appliances, Inc. in the states of Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Nevada, New Mexico, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Virginia; and is offered by Conn Credit Corporation, Inc. in Oklahoma, Louisiana, Texas, and Tennessee.

 

I agree I was wrong for opening the account and regret it every day. I was in a situation where I needed a refrigerator, and Conn’s was the only vendor who had the one needed. Money was tight because I was going through a nasty divorce, my house was flooded, and I was footing the bill to repair the home ($10k in damages not covered by insurance) and get it ready to put it on the market. My ex originally agreed to me being reimbursed at closing and me getting most of the equity in the home. Therefore, I was confident that I would pay it off within a few months. Just before the house sold, the ex retained an attorney who immediately took every step possible to prolong the final hearing and receive all of the sale proceeds. Despite the divorce being final a few months ago, they immediately initiated post trial litigation.

Again, I accept my fault in this matter but as you can imagine, I am fighting as many battles as I can on many fronts. The Judge told me to file bankruptcy multiple times, and it appears as if that is what I may be forced to do with the multiple orders for me to pay more and more.

 

When searching after seeing your response, I also learned that I was supposed to receive a coupon book for the payments. I only received copies of my contract after multiple requests. All of my information provided to them at the time of purchase remains correct today. Therefore, there should be no reason I am not receiving communications about my account. I continue to receive their promotional mail telling me that my credit limit has increased and encouraging me to come into the store and buy more.

 

I am trying to find a solution to "make it better"; however, I have yet to reach anyone to discuss anything with them. The call center instructs me to call during my work hours to speak with someone (which is pretty much impossible for me) and the store employees are of no help. I do not have the extra money to pay the payments which were shredded until I receive the refund. The damage to my credit is preventing me from moving the account to another lender because my score has dropped approximately 100 points. 

 

Again, I appreiciate all input. This is why I posted about the situation.  I am seeking ideas as to how to approach rectifying it. 

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tnhomestead
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Know any attorneys? May be worthwhile to ask one about the legality of shredding the payments knowing what they were.

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