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Curious_George2
Valued Contributor

SPs disappearing from reports

Like many members here, I like to keep an eye on which creditors are keeping an eye on me. As often as possible, I try to get updated credit reports from sources that show SPs. In looking over a few months' worth of those today, I noticed something surprising: many SPs disappear after about a month.

 

The clearest example I see is that Capital One SPs my TU and EX reports every month, but the reports I receive always only show the one most recent SP.  So in June I can see their June SP. Then in July there is a new one shown for July but there is no mention of the one they did in June. This continues, month after month. 

 

Something similar is happening with Amex's account review inquiries but it's less consistent and harder to describe concisely. The dates of Amex's SPs line up with the dates of the FICO scores they show me, so they are being a bit more candid about the extent to which they are montoring my credit. CapOne seems to be covering their tracks in a way that I find a little troubling. If I wasn't pulling my own reports as often as I am, there would be no way for me to know how often CapOne was doing account reviews. That seems... wrong.

 

Is it normal for SPs to vanish after just a month? Is it legal?

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Ficoproblems247
Valued Contributor

Re: SPs disappearing from reports

It's not just you, it seems to be the trend for various lender's periodic ARs. Some lenders use the same moniker for both their ARs and their credit monitoring services which makes it even more difficult to decipher. Chase's ARs and Credit Journey both just show up as "Chase" for example, while their promotional marketing pulls show up as JPMCB Card. I don't see any harm in simply showing the most recent one. If you're concerned, I would recommend keeping a spreadsheet or jotting the dates down in the notebook. 





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rostrow416
Established Contributor

Re: SPs disappearing from reports

Maybe it's the source you are getting the reports from.  When I go to submit a dispute online with the credit bureaus, my reports list all the soft inquiries - and there sure are a lot of them.  Lenders like Cap One are listed multiple times, and all their recent SPs are included.

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OmarGB9
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Re: SPs disappearing from reports

I don't see how it'd be "illegal." I mean, we know our creditors keep tabs on us all the time, and as long as they're not HPing you to do it, I don't see how deleting old SPs (which may not even be their fault; it could be the service you're using as mentioned above or it could be the CRAs themselves deleting/merging SPs together) is wrong.

 

Question, why is it so important to know how often they're SPing you? Most people outside of MyFICO don't even know what HPs and SPs are, let alone keep track of who is SPing them and how often.


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Anonymous
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Re: SPs disappearing from reports

CRAs dump SPs and even regular inquiries on thick files. It would seem to be a split file mitigation tactic since it's cheaper to wipe out valid data than actually upgrade systems to address the issue. 

EX purges my hard inquiries early, sometimes less than a year before they are gone, and EQ dumps SPs pretty regularly. 


Credit Karma hits my EQ with SPs multiple times per week, sometimes multiple times per day, and that surely makes for a large file but as of right now, the oldest SP from them is from September 1st because EQ purged the rest. 

I don't really know why EX dumps my inquiries early but it benefits me so whatever. 🤷‍♂️ 

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Ficoproblems247
Valued Contributor

Re: SPs disappearing from reports

I'm assuming OP is getting data from annualcreditreport.com. That is where I am

viewing my SPs, and while pulls from some lenders seem to stick around for years, there are certainly others that seem to drop off once the next SP is performed, just as OP is referring to. No, it doesn't make any real difference, but what is the point of these forums if not to dissect the inner workings of various FIs and the FICO algorithms? I also agree with @Anonymous in that it's probably to prevent split files. I can't imagine that storage would be a real factor as text files take virtually no space. The amount of SPs I receive is insane due to all of the credit monitoring products I am subscribed to. 





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Curious_George2
Valued Contributor

Re: SPs disappearing from reports

Yep, ACR is my source for these. That's as official as we consumers can get, right?


In response to the question of why it matters to me (which strikes me as quite rude): I care partly because I am engaged in the hobby of trying to understand the systems used for credit reporting and scoring. This is a forum devoted to that purpose.
Seems like the right place to post questions like this.

 

Also, I am watching Capital One in particular because I have been trying for months to understand their CLI rules in more detail. I understand that most people don't care enough to bother. That's fine. But for me, it is helpful to know what facts they are basing their decision on. If they say my Util is too high, I want to know which report they pulled and when, so I can understand exactly what they considered to be too high.

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Curious_George2
Valued Contributor

Re: SPs disappearing from reports


@Anonymous wrote:

CRAs dump SPs and even regular inquiries on thick files. It would seem to be a split file mitigation tactic since it's cheaper to wipe out valid data than actually upgrade systems to address the issue. 

EX purges my hard inquiries early, sometimes less than a year before they are gone, and EQ dumps SPs pretty regularly. 


Credit Karma hits my EQ with SPs multiple times per week, sometimes multiple times per day, and that surely makes for a large file but as of right now, the oldest SP from them is from September 1st because EQ purged the rest. 

I don't really know why EX dumps my inquiries early but it benefits me so whatever. 🤷‍♂️ 


Interesting. The data storage issue hadn't occurred to me. Like you, I have long lists of SPs from CK and other services like it. Seems a little weird that the CRAs' databases would allow for bloat there, yet limit CapOne and Amex to one each. But maybe.

 

That's cool that you get EE of HPs on EX!  

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OmarGB9
Community Leader
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Re: SPs disappearing from reports


@Curious_George2 wrote:

Yep, ACR is my source for these. That's as official as we consumers can get, right?


In response to the question of why it matters to me (which strikes me as quite rude): I care partly because I am engaged in the hobby of trying to understand the systems used for credit reporting and scoring. This is a forum devoted to that purpose.
Seems like the right place to post questions like this.

 

Also, I am watching Capital One in particular because I have been trying for months to understand their CLI rules in more detail. I understand that most people don't care enough to bother. That's fine. But for me, it is helpful to know what facts they are basing their decision on. If they say my Util is too high, I want to know which report they pulled and when, so I can understand exactly what they considered to be too high.


My apologies, I did not mean to come off as rude. I was simply curious why it was so important, as usually it's only HPs that people worry about since those are visible to other lenders when applying for credit/some lenders are inquiry sensitive. I understand now. Again, I apologize.

 

As for your watching Capital One, my understanding is they update the SP on file for you every 2-3 months, so perhaps you could try to look through the SPs and find the one's coded as AR and try to figure it out that way.


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Curious_George2
Valued Contributor

Re: SPs disappearing from reports

Apology accepted. Glad we're back on topic...

 

I had read the same thing about the frequency of CapOne's updates, but it turns out the conventional wisdom is not true, at least in my case. Here's a list of the times (that I know of) they have SP'ed me since April 1:

 

4/9/2020 TransUnion (Disappeared)
4/13/2020 Experian (Disappeared)
5/9/2020 TransUnion (Disappeared)
5/15/2020 Experian (Disappeared)
6/9/2020 TransUnion (Disappeared)

7/4/2020 Equifax (Disappeared)
7/13/2020 Experian (Disappeared)
7/28/2020 Equifax 
8/14/2020 Experian 
9/9/2020 TransUnion 

 

Ten times in five months. But when I look at my current reports, I can only see three of those -- one per CRA. Strikes me as inconsistent with the principle of telling consumers about inquiries.

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