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Step by Step questions

I just joined this site yesterday and am very happy with it. I was a member of another site but this one is so much batter. I have been working with a credit repair law firm for about 2 months and am very pleased so far with those results. But now that my credit files are somewhat cleaned up I am wanting to transition to doing it mysel. I went to the son of credit 101 link and there were sample letters there, but none for debt valadation. The other site I used to use had a step by step guide for beginners. I think it started out by telling ypou to pull your reports, to opt out and then to get all of your addresses on your personal reports to just show your current address only. I am not sure how to do this, and I am just wondering about a step by step guide for newbies, does that exist because although son of credit 101 is informative, I  don't think it offers what I need.

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llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Step by Step questions

Welcome to the forums!

I'd suggest reading the following:

Common Abbreviations

Credit Scoring 101 - great for knowing what is in your credit score and to see how your score is impacted.

What Steps Do I Take - great for learning the repair process.

and Example letters - PFDs, GWs, DVs, etc.

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Anonymous
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Re: Step by Step questions

I had already read all of those links prior to posting except for the what steps to take one. The example letters does not include a DV letter.

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MarineVietVet
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Step by Step questions


@Anonymous wrote:

I had already read all of those links prior to posting except for the what steps to take one. The example letters does not include a DV letter.


A DV letter doesn't have to be complex. Some examples:

 

"I pulled my credit bureau report, and I discovered that you claim I owe you a debt. Under FDCPA 809 send me validation of this debt."

 

"You claim I owe you a debt. In accordance with FDCPA, send me validation of this debt."

 

"I received your letter claiming I owe you a debt. Per the FDCPA, send me validation of this debt."

 

Send the DV letter CMRRR.

 

This is all you need.

 

 

 

From a BK years ago to:
EX - 9/09 pulled by lender 802, EQ - 10/10-813, TU - 10/10-774

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem".

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llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Step by Step questions

If you click the Example Letters link, scroll down and you'll see a link for "Debt Validation". Click that. In the first post, you'll see a very short and brief letter (well, paragraph really) in blue. That's what you'd want to use for a DV letter. There are others floating around that request this and that (e.g. SOL proof, licensing proof, original contract, etc.) and virtually all of that stuff is fluff and CAs don't have to provide it. I think they laugh at those letters now because they are so cookie-cutter.

 

You are on the right track to pull your reports. The full reports from the CRAs and/or from annualcreditreport.com are important in the process. If FICO scoring is important, then those reports will help because they show what is hurting or helping the most. Opting out is only important if you plan to buy a home anytime soon. CAs will subscribe to your report and will often report only after you apply for a big ticket item like a mortgage. Removing old addresses are not important; just make sure your current address is correct.

 

When tackling your reports keep SOL in mind. Some of these repair firms will dispute anything and everything which could make it harder to remove some items and will certainly wake up a creditor if inside SOL. For CAs, send DVs. If they verify and you agree, then send PFDs. If a TL is paid, then send a GW asking for deletion (always ask that for a CA) or request an OC to remove any baddie info (or delete if a newer account). If an OC is unpaid, then send a PFD or pay it and send GWs later on.

 

ETA....slow once again. MarineVietVet beat me again.

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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: Step by Step questions

I suggest the following ste-by-step guide for dealing with debt collectors.

 

1.  When and how did you become aware that a debt collector was initiating collection activites on the debt?

      Once a debt collector is assigned collection authority by an OC, they dont have to notify you of this until such time as they

      begin active collection activities with you.  To provide you timely notice of your rights, FDCPA 809(a) requires a debt collector

      to send you a formal collection (dunning) notice within 5-days of any initial communication with you.  This includes posting to your

      credit report.  You should not have to monitor your CR to become aware of a reporting of a CA by a debt collector.

      If a debt collector posts to your CR and does follow that up by sending you a formal dunning notice within 5-days thereafter,

      they are in violation of FDCPA 809(a).

2.  You can request debt validation (DV) at any time you become aware of a debt collector.

      Typically, you first become aware of debt collection by your receipt of their dunning notice, but you dont have to have received

      a dunning notice to request DV.

3.  Once you receive a dunning notice, that sets the period in which you can send a DV letter that compels the debt collector to cease

     all further collection activities until such time as they respond with validation. That period is 30-days. 

     You can still send a DV after 30-days, but if the debt collector chooses to hold it as untimely, they can just continue their

     collection activities without first providing validation.  Most report from their experiences that debt collectors rarely exercise

     a holding of untimeliness of a DV, so you can always send one.

4.  The content of your DV letter does not need to be expansive, but sometimes a more expansive DV letter is, in my opinion, warranted.

      Requests for debt "validation" can vary in content.  The term "debt validation" embraces both "debt verification" and a request for the

      full name and address of the original creditor, if you separately request it.

      Additionlly, one of the flaws of the entire DV process is that FDCPA 809(a) simply does not define what constitutes proper

      "debt validation."  I suggest that, in your DV letter, you take the inititive to specify what you consider as proper verification, unless

      you will be satisfied with a simple statement by them that they verify the debt.  Debt verification does not require legal prooof on

      their part.  I would, at a minimum, require an itemized listing.

      Here is a suggested plain-vanilla DV letter:

         "This is a request for debt validation under FDCPA 809(a).  This is not a dispute of credit reporting under the FCRA.

           I request, as minimal verification of the debt, a detailed listing of all items of the asserted debt, including the original credtitor debt,

           any interest accurued to date, and any fees asserted as due to you."

 

     If you additionally want the full name and addess of the OC, include another sentence to that effect.

     If the debt collector has failed to provide you timely dunning notice, then I would additionally include the folllowing, in order to put

     them on notice of their vioalation, should you later want to file a complaint:

         "It is noted that you posted a collection to my credit report on (date), and did not thereafter provide me a timely collection notice

          within 5-days thereafter.  Thus, your credit reporting was negatively affecting my credit score without notice to me thereof, and was

          thus denying me the timely ability to address this reporting.  I consider you to be in violation of FDCPA 809(a)"

 

5.  As a separate matter, if you dispute the accuracy of the debt itself, then the separte issue of a dispute under FCRA 611(a) or

     FCRA 623(a)(8) might be in order.  Disputes of accuracy of credit reporting are totally separate from the DV process.

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