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To paraphrase Bruce Dickinson, this thread needs more tinfoil.
Amazing how a formula is responsible for the decline and fall of modern civilization ...
@Anonymous wrote:GEICO, Progressive and every other insurance company that I'm aware of, uses credit scores to set the rates for their insurance. Even if you were a current insured, had been insured with Company X for a decade, had had no chargeable accidents and were driving a three year old car, when the insurers began to use credit scores to determine the cost of policies, if your credit score was below what they considered optimal, your rates went up. Of course, no one at those companies will divulge the breakpoints for the different rate classes. They ARE now required to divulge that they use credit scores for rates. But that's it.
I own my own business, so, to my knowledge, I have not personally dealt with a potential employer using credit scores to screen potential employees. But I know that my kids, and some of my friends, have. I know this because, in filling out the application for a particular job, they were asked to sign a waiver allowing the potential employer to obtain their credit score.
I agree that many insurance companies use credit scores, unless state law prohibits this, as it does in several states.
Most of the time, though, on job applications, the potential employer is pulling the credit report. If a score comes along with it, that might be looked at too, but I think that hirers are looking at the reports themselves to see if there are a lot of judgments, BK's, late payments, and so forth, believing rightly or wrongly that a messed-up credit history indicates disorganization, irresponsibility, etc. btw, I don't agree that this assumption is true across the board. Plenty of people have handled credit very responsibly until one or more of the three big bombs have hit --unemployment, divorce, or uninsured/ underinsured medical costs. And of course, it's very possible that your friends and family members had their scores checked. But people often read "report" and think "score." I just checked the paperwork for my new job, and it said that they reserved the right to pull my report. No mention of score.
At any rate, I agree that there are a lot of people poking their noses into our credit profiles who don't necessarily belong there. But it's often not scores, and even if it is, that's hardly the fault of the score formula. It's just being misused.
Many of us don't consider that it would be very difficult to access credit without all this. Which of course might be a good thing in some cases.
LOL I wish the government got involved with credit scoring back when I had 70k of CC debt since my credit score would have been 850.
@fused wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
But I'm NOT talking about the big lenders...I'm talking about the abusive use of credit scoring for things that have NOTHING to do with the use of credit. And the organizations that pull those scores--who knows what they're using?
Can you throw out some names or entities?
Check the "Help Wanted" section of your favorite daily periodical, and see the advertisements for any of the major motor vehicle insurance carriers.
@Anonymous wrote:To paraphrase Bruce Dickinson, this thread needs more tinfoil.
Amazing how a formula is responsible for the decline and fall of modern civilization ...
+1
Its not a matter of tinfoil or drinking the Kool-aid....Just plain and simple this FICO thing is a flawed mess that needs some SERIOUS governmental regulation on what it can be used for and by Whom. Its a system that forces you to jack up your debt and pay the banks bucket loads of interest chasing this mythical high score. My wife and I are in the best situation we have been in years in terms of little debt, income and cash on hand. I have no idea what our FICO is anymore and I could not care less as we are not even going to think about financing anything until some sanity comes back to the banking sector or the government steps in and cleans up some of this plain and simple consumer FRAUD....FIFRAUD is nothing but a system designed to gouge consumers and make them "pay dues" trying to lessen your cost of credit...The only way to win at the FICO game is not to play...Pay cash, thumb your nose at the banks...your life will be much better and simpler.. I never realized just how much our cost of credit was until I jumped off the instant gratification wagon. Now we just save a month or 2 and buy whatever we want and are much happier when all the mailman delivers are Junk mail and utility bills.
Yes the Cheerleaders and the fake posters on here will try to convince you that the secret of life is chasing your tail for this mythical 800 score...But hey that's why corporations pay these PR flunkies and lire to do....The real secret to financial happiness is pay cash and stick that "cost of credit" in your pocket and not some CEO's or shareholders Swiss bank account.
You don't need tinfoil to gain common sense...If a private corporation is telling you "Its the best and great for you"...you can be pretty much assured your getting screwed now-a-days.
@Anonymous wrote:Its a system that forces you to jack up your debt and pay the banks bucket loads of interest chasing this mythical high score.
...Are you actually under the impression that having lots of debt and paying interest helps your FICO score?
@Anonymous wrote:Yes the Cheerleaders and the fake posters on here will try to convince you that the secret of life is chasing your tail for this mythical 800 score...But hey that's why corporations pay these PR flunkies and lire to do....The real secret to financial happiness is pay cash and stick that "cost of credit" in your pocket and not some CEO's or shareholders Swiss bank account.
I don't think anyone here is really a FICO fanboy or a paid hack. We understand that there are rules to follow if you want to use credit or those services that require you to maintain a good credit score. Since everyone must interact with the credit system in one way or another, you might as well learn the rules and play to win. You can have an 800 credit score and no debt. Having zero debt allows you to be in the driver seat.
@Anonymous wrote:
The real secret to financial happiness is pay cash and stick that "cost of credit" in your pocket and not some CEO's or shareholders Swiss bank account.
Fabulous idea. More people should do it.
"On average, each cash-using household pays $151 to card-using households and each card-using household receives $1,482 from cash users every year."
"On average, each cash-using household pays $151 to card-using households and each card-using household receives $1,482 from cash users every year"
ROFLMAO.....If you believe this load of garbage I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you. This kind of stuff is set out by the PR people to do 1 thing. To tell you what you WANT to believe and rationalize something you really know is not in your best interest. In short the good ol "You can save by spending" is NEVER the truth!
If it sounds too good to be true....Its a lie. Consider the source people! No corporation is your friend....The folks at FICO and the banks fatten their wallets by screwing you.