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VS4 vs VS3

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Trudy
Valued Contributor

Re: VS4 vs VS3

Yep, a bit confusing.  My OP was out of curiosity.  But although I'm not putting a lot of effort in to figuring this out now I do wonder if V4 would be used more in the future, particularly when 10T takes hold.  Synchrony has already presumable started using V4 for credit decisions.  Both models have similar if not the same concept with V4 likely being cheaper.(?)

 

With what seems to be more AA post lately I wonder if things are turning and this trended concept will take hold sooner.  It just caught me off guard when I noticed the lesser impact payment history has...of all things.

FICO - 8: 05/05/23
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GApeachy
Super Contributor

Re: VS4 vs VS3

."Not only are the resulting assessments more predictive than those provided by credit scoring models using only static attributes, but they also reduce the weight put on these static attributes"

 

https://www.vantagescore.com/resource/423/improved-assessment-credit-health-using-trended-credit-dat...

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Message 22 of 32
Anonymous
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Re: VS4 vs VS3

Yeah I think they’re trying to be softer on people who have older lates maybe? Who knows? I think if a lender wants Trended data, they’re going to stick with fico, the majority at least, because that’s what’s been proven.

I think it will just be certain funny lenders like synchrony and it seems that they are only doing a trial run for CLIs. Who knows they may or may not like the results and they may try 10T for a while. They may be building up data and then do a trial with 10T and compare?
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Anonymous
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Re: VS4 vs VS3

@GApeachy yeah they had to take away some pointS from somewhere to be able to distribute for average balances and take away for average balances over the 24 months, is my guess.
Message 24 of 32
Anonymous
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VS4 scoring criteria?

I may have posted about this a while back, but can't find the thread if I did.  The screenshot displayed is the fluff scoring criteria provided by Synchrony on their CC accounts with a VS4 score.  Anyone find this to be rather bogus?  Does anyone really believe that Payment History, the #1 scoring criteria for Fico is weighted/ranked #3 for VS4, behind credit mix?  

 

VS4.jpg

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: VS4 scoring criteria?

I pulled this directly from VS and it aligns exactly with what I got from Synchrony regarding VS 4.0 scoring criteria.  This does confirm for me that Payment History is indeed third on the list in terms of what's important to the algorithm.  I still find that outrageous, unless VS4 is predicting something other than chances of someone defaulting like Fico does. 

 

 

vs4.0.jpg

 

 

Message 26 of 32
FinStar
Moderator Emeritus

Re: VS4 scoring criteria?

Cool 😎 Kind of expected with VS4 data ⌨️⌨️

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Anonymous
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Re: VS4 scoring criteria?

What's even more strange to me is that if you look at VS3 criteria verses VS4, it's quite different.  VS3 aligns more to the Fico pie where Payment History and Amounts Owed are at the top of the list.  For some reason VS4 throws Payment history down to third on the list.  That seems odd, especially considering that VS4 incorporates trended data into the model.  I would think TD would make payment history even more impactful if anything.

 

vs4.0.jpg

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: VS4 scoring criteria?

So basically, a flip-flop of factors #1 and #3 when comparing VS3 to VS4. 

Message 29 of 32
Brian_Earl_Spilner
Credit Mentor

Re: VS4 scoring criteria?

I'm not surprised. When I had an almost 0% utilization, I broke 700s even though I still had late payments and collections.

 

They also only go back 4 years.

    
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