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Very different FICO scores

Hi.  I just ordered score watch and my FICO was 680.  On my WAMU account it moniters TU FICO and my score was 625.  Are these both true FICO score?  If they are accurate why is there such a discrepenacy in the figures.  I am trying to lease/purchase 2 cars in the coming year and I want to make sure I get Tier 1 credit ratings.  I also have a great auto loan/lease history, so will this help my auto enhanced score?
 
Thanks for your help.
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The scores you see here are FICO's they are as close to true as you get.  I believe the scores from WAMU, like those from TrueCredit.com are FAKOs (fake fico's). 
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Modern, or anyone else who knows - what about equifax's site? Is that a true FICO. It seems like they have the same system. I ordered Score Watch from them for my Equifax only and will be checking all three bureaus through here next month (paid off a loan and want to see the change and scores.)
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haulingthescoreup
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@Anonymous wrote:
Hi. I just ordered score watch and my FICO was 680. On my WAMU account it moniters TU FICO and my score was 625. Are these both true FICO score? If they are accurate why is there such a discrepenacy in the figures. I am trying to lease/purchase 2 cars in the coming year and I want to make sure I get Tier 1 credit ratings. I also have a great auto loan/lease history, so will this help my auto enhanced score?
Thanks for your help.


Hi, Dr.Mike, welcome to the forums!

Scorewatch monitors your EQ (Equifax score), which is one of your three FICO scores, along with TU (TransUnion) and EX (Experian.) Your WaMu score is a specialized FICO score, called credit-card enhanced, that is weighted a little differently from classic FICO's. So it's a FICO, but a little different. In addition, it's TU, rather than EQ, so there's another reason for it to be different. And finally, WaMu reports last month's TU FICO (credit card enhanced) score, so it's also a little out of date. Whew.

So anyway, if you're just starting out in credit monitoring, it would be smart to go ahead and also buy your EX and TU scores from this site. That way, you'll have a baseline for all three. Scorewatch will continue to monitor your EQ report for any changes, especially those that might hurt your credit, and it will periodically send you alerts about your EQ FICO score. Clear as mud?

It will help you a lot if you will read Credit Scoring 101, which is stickied at the top of this board. This is an absurdly complex field, and CS101 will give you a decent general understanding of what's out there, and of where you want to go.

edit to add: sorry, missed the car loan question. Yes, your good auto loan history will help. It also looks at your overall loan history.

If you are looking for score improvement, the area where you can help yourself and get the quickest results is in "util" (utilization, balance due divided by credit limit.) FICO scoring looks at overall revolving (=CC) util and that on each revolving account. Pay half of more of your CC's to $0, and pay the rest down to under 10% of each one's individual credit limit. Pay each one online 4 or 5 days before its statement date, which is when MOST cards update to the credit bureaus, and the new low balance will be what reports and gets used in scoring.

You can use your cards as much as you like; just pay them before the statement posts each month. This date is generally 2 1/2 to 3 weeks before the due date, so you will be paying way before most people normally pay. But you'll be impressed with the results on your scores.

Message Edited by haulingthescoreup on 02-10-2008 11:13 AM
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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haulingthescoreup
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@Anonymous wrote:
Modern, or anyone else who knows - what about equifax's site? Is that a true FICO. It seems like they have the same system. I ordered Score Watch from them for my Equifax only and will be checking all three bureaus through here next month (paid off a loan and want to see the change and scores.)



EQ will sell you your EQ FICO score, and their Scorewatch is essentially the same as the one from myFICO. It might be a day or two quicker to update, it doesn't have the graph that you get with the myFICO SW, and there are some things that I don't think you will be alerted for, including if you move into a new "score bucket." So it's kind of a coin toss as to which one, if either, is better.
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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Thanks!
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Thanks for the info!  My biggest ding was 3-30 day lates.  Two were with Macy's 1/04 and 6/06 and the other was BOA 4/06.  How big of an impact do you think this has?
 
Also my Util is incredibly high.  I renovated my basement this past year and took out a bunch of 0% interest on several cards.  I didn't know any better and maxed out almost all of them.  Most of my util are over 80%.   My HELOC is maxed out and I don't think I will get a high enough CL to balance transfer any of the debt.  I owe about 64K.  When I did the FICO simulator I got the same score adjustment whether I payed off 8K or 30K.  Do you think this is true?  I have about 15K to play with, but I want to save some of the money towards a down payment on a new car.  My DTI is fine as far as affordability but I want to make sure I get the best rate on a new car/lease.
 
What do you think I should do?
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haulingthescoreup
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@Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for the info! My biggest ding was 3-30 day lates. Two were with Macy's 1/04 and 6/06 and the other was BOA 4/06. How big of an impact do you think this has?


I'd guess that the lates aren't costing more than 10 points total. 30's hurt a lot for one year, a little for the second year, and then they're mostly just embarrassing. Your BOA late will go over 2 years in April and your second Macy's in June, so you might get up to 5 points on each, from where your scores are now.

Also my Util is incredibly high. I renovated my basement this past year and took out a bunch of 0% interest on several cards. I didn't know any better and maxed out almost all of them. Most of my util are over 80%. My HELOC is maxed out and I don't think I will get a high enough CL to balance transfer any of the debt. I owe about 64K. When I did the FICO simulator I got the same score adjustment whether I payed off 8K or 30K. Do you think this is true? I have about 15K to play with, but I want to save some of the money towards a down payment on a new car. My DTI is fine as far as affordability but I want to make sure I get the best rate on a new car/lease.
What do you think I should do?


Yep, it's the util that's killing you. With three older 30-days being your only derogatories, I would expect you to be in the mid-700's, at a guess.

How big is the credit limit on your HELOC? If it's big enough, it's being treated as installment, and it doesn't factor into your revolving util. $50K CL is high enough for sure (personal experience), $40K is maybe high enough, $25K is probably being treated like a maxed-out $25K card.

Is there any chance that you can get a personal loan? Be sure it's from a credit union or bank. If it's from a business with "finance" in its name (Citifinance, Wells Fargo Finance, etc) it's scored as a "consumer finance loan", and it hurts your scores some. But if you can shift a chunk of CC debt over to an installment loan, it will do wonders. And again, the installment util doesn't factor into the revolving util.

There are two tactics for reducing util, one for scoring sense and one for financial sense. As you're going for scores, I'll deal with that one. (The financial one is to pay highest APR's first, etc.)

1) Assuming that your HELOC is big enough, don't worry about it for now.
2) Get all cards under 80% util.
3) Then get as many as possible under 50% util.
4) If you have any low CL cards, like store cards, or cards with low balances, PIF them.
5) Make all payments online 4-5 days before your statement posts, and check to see if that new low balance shows up on the statement.
6) Don't use your cards at all in the interim other than for stuff that you would otherwise pay cash or write a check for (groceries, gas, etc.) No charging for now, unless you would normally pay it off anyway.

Without knowing the breakdown on your cards, I can't get any more specific than that. But those are your priorities: everything under 80% (= not maxed out), at least half under 50% (eventually under 30% and then 10% ), and as many as you possibly can at $0. If you can hold off on the leasing for several more months, it gets you in an even better state.

Util is fun to mess with (if you have the money), because you get fast results, and the before and after can be huge. When a new 30-day late posted last May, my EQ was 590. By slashing util to under 1%, and only one card reporting, plus some blessed aging of lates, it is now 728. That's in 9 months. It can be quicker for you, because you don't have current lates to wait out.

Please post back with the new scores! We all eat up stories like these. Smiley Very Happy

Message Edited by haulingthescoreup on 02-10-2008 12:26 PM
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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According to my scorewatch report, my total util is 42% but I know that on the cards that I use my util is over 80%.  I would not want to balance transfer to the other cards because the IR is terrible.
 
My HELOC is at 49K and my limit is 53K.  Does it make sense to max it out and pay down some cc?
 
I would hate to take out a personal loan because the IR would be much higher than what I am currently paying.  Plus I am planning on paying down 25% of my balances at the beginning of next year.  Not in time to help with my car purchase/lease but still in the near future.
 
Do you think it is worth it to try and goodwill my late payments? Will it make much of a difference?
 
I appreciate your thoughts.
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haulingthescoreup
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See, now you're dealing with the handling of util for financial strategy, instead of for scoring! Smiley Wink

How many 0% cards are you using, and out of a total of how many cards? If you have a total of 7 cards for instance, and only 3 are 0%, you might do an initial paydown of the 4 non-0%'s, even zero them out, and see what that does with your scores --a two-step approach. We have had members report that they had a card at 85% for BT purposes, and they weren't penalized, while others got hit hard.

If you're willing, you can post your cards here (card A, card B, and so forth) with current balance, credit limit, and APR on each one, plus how much total $ you think that you might have available for payments, and get some feedback on strategy. It's possible that if you can get enough zeroed out and let the 0%'s stay at relatively high util, you'll get enough of a bump, depending on how many cards you have. Since your overall util is 42%, that might be enough to do the trick. What score are you shooting for, and do you know if it will be a particular CRA?

And I really doubt that those lates are doing you any harm to speak of in terms of scores.
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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