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What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?

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What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?

I’m aware that anything above 90% is considered maxed out for scoring purposes. Would bringing a card to 89% utilization raise a red flag to the credit issuer?

 

I have a Citi DC with a 18 Month/0% APR/3% Fee offer that I would like to take advantage of but unfortunately I’ll have to take it to 88.9% utilization due to my low limit (2900). Not to mention, if I did the transfer, the utilization would be pretty high for atleast 10 months. Mainly because I have other cards I need to pay off before their 0% APR offer ends. 

 

Would this raise a red flag with Citi? Or should I just keep the utilization on the Citi below 50% and transfer the rest to my QS-10500 limit (0 for 12 months with 2% fee). I’m looking to transfer like 6500 total within the next few months. 

 

Or would it be best if I just transferred all of it to the QS with the higher limit and lower fee? I get BT offers monthly between my BOA platinum, discover and citi aa so I’ll likely have offers a year from now.

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Anonymous
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?

It's hard to advise you because we don't know what your total utilization is nor do we know what your FICO 8 scores are.  (Nor do we know if you have any lates or other derogs in the last few years.)  Any of those three issues could cause an individual creditor to be much more anxious when it sees your card's individual util go up than it would be if you had a clean profile, low total U, and scores > 750.

 

You mention two possibilities: taking the card to 49% and taking it to 89%.  Another middle option would be keeping it at under 69%.

 

I do see in your closing paragraph that it sounds like BT's and 0% offers (and therefore carrying large amounts of CC debt) may be a way of life.  (You mention multiple cards with 0% offers going on and seem to be planning to apply for more such offers in a year from now.)  If that is so, you may want to think about whether you can swich to an alternative approach that involves having almost no debt and spending far less than you bring in (with the balance going into savings and retirement).  Frequent use of BTs and 0% offers puts a person at risk financially.

 

That's just a thought I am throwing out -- I realize it may not be the thing you want to talk about, which is fine.

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Anonymous
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?


@Anonymouswrote:

It's hard to advise you because we don't know what your total utilization is nor do we know what your FICO 8 scores are.  (Nor do we know if you have any lates or other derogs in the last few years.)  Any of those three issues could cause an individual creditor to be much more anxious when it sees your card's individual util go up than it would be if you had a clean profile, low total U, and scores > 750.

 

You mention two possibilities: taking the card to 49% and taking it to 89%.  Another middle option would be keeping it at under 69%.

 

I do see in your closing paragraph that it sounds like BT's and 0% offers (and therefore carrying large amounts of CC debt) may be a way of life.  (You mention multiple cards with 0% offers going on and seem to be planning to apply for more such offers in a year from now.)  If that is so, you may want to think about whether you can swich to an alternative approach that involves having almost no debt and spending far less than you bring in (with the balance going into savings and retirement).  Frequent use of BTs and 0% offers puts a person at risk financially.

 

That's just a thought I am throwing out -- I realize it may not be the thing you want to talk about, which is fine.

 


Transunion-703, Equifax -700, Experian-684

 

my total utilization across all my cards are 15% with a total credit line of 69k.  I’ve had 2 collections since 2012 that were removed last year. Only lates I’ve had was defaulted student loans which have since been rectified. 

 

No I don’t plan on applying for anymore credit cards In the future. I have enough already My goal now is to simply get out of debt.

 

 

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RobertEG
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?

Potential assessment of a higher risk (i.e., a "red flag") due to a balance transfer transaction would likely depend upon how the transaction is actually completed.

 

If the transaction is actually a balance transfer, meaning the increased debt on the BT card is used to pay down other cards, then the overall debt balance and % util remains essentially the same (with overall balance increasing only by the amount of the 3% BT fee).

Thus, overall assessment of risk of repayment is essentially the same, with the deck chairs being shifted, but still the same in number.

Many BT transactions are done by the creditor asking for identiifcation of the other accounts, and the creditor doing the actual payment to the other creditor(s).  That minimizes overall risk increase by assuring shifting of the deck chairs only, with no significant overalll revolving debt increase.

 

However, some "balance transfers" are done by way of the creditor sending you a "courtesy check" and letting you do any transfers to other cards.  Obviously, the creditor cannot assure that all of the check will be used to offset existing debt, and some could be retained in your checking account or used to buy that sleek new big-screen TV.  In that event, your overall revolving debt could increase significantly, as would then your risk of repayment.

 

I would assume that a creditor who does a BT by way of courtesy check will do a soft pull within a month or two to then reassess how you applied the "transfer," and whether or   not your overall revolving debt/% util increased significantly after you received the funds.

 

If you apply the full BT towards other existing revolving debt, then the creditor will likely not raise any red flag.

However, if you had a more liberal type of  BT procedure that let you complete any actual "transfer," and you used a portion for some other reason, then there may be a later red flag.

 

Will your transaction be a full balance "transfer?"

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Dalmus
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?

So you aren't looking to increase your total utilization from 15% (about $10K total debt), but just move about $2,600 of it from one card to another?

 

I think you *probably* would be okay, but having a balance of $2,600 on a $2,900 card puts you on some dangeorus ice.  No guarantee that it'll hold you.

 

I'd do as CGD suggested and try to keep it below 70%.  That gives you $2,000 to move... and $600 left to pay off or move to a different 0%.

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Anonymous
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?

I agree that it's best to keep utilization below 70% on any one card.

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Anonymous
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?


@RobertEGwrote:

Potential assessment of a higher risk (i.e., a "red flag") due to a balance transfer transaction would likely depend upon how the transaction is actually completed.

 

If the transaction is actually a balance transfer, meaning the increased debt on the BT card is used to pay down other cards, then the overall debt balance and % util remains essentially the same (with overall balance increasing only by the amount of the 3% BT fee).

Thus, overall assessment of risk of repayment is essentially the same, with the deck chairs being shifted, but still the same in number.

Many BT transactions are done by the creditor asking for identiifcation of the other accounts, and the creditor doing the actual payment to the other creditor(s).  That minimizes overall risk increase by assuring shifting of the deck chairs only, with no significant overalll revolving debt increase.

 

However, some "balance transfers" are done by way of the creditor sending you a "courtesy check" and letting you do any transfers to other cards.  Obviously, the creditor cannot assure that all of the check will be used to offset existing debt, and some could be retained in your checking account or used to buy that sleek new big-screen TV.  In that event, your overall revolving debt could increase significantly, as would then your risk of repayment.

 

I would assume that a creditor who does a BT by way of courtesy check will do a soft pull within a month or two to then reassess how you applied the "transfer," and whether or   not your overall revolving debt/% util increased significantly after you received the funds.

 

If you apply the full BT towards other existing revolving debt, then the creditor will likely not raise any red flag.

However, if you had a more liberal type of  BT procedure that let you complete any actual "transfer," and you used a portion for some other reason, then there may be a later red flag.

 

Will your transaction be a full balance "transfer?"


yes it will. I dont like the deposits for BT so i just prefer to just pay it from the bank itself.

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Anonymous
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Re: What’s okay utilization When doing a balance transfer?


@Dalmuswrote:

So you aren't looking to increase your total utilization from 15% (about $10K total debt), but just move about $2,600 of it from one card to another?

 

I think you *probably* would be okay, but having a balance of $2,600 on a $2,900 card puts you on some dangeorus ice.  No guarantee that it'll hold you.

 

I'd do as CGD suggested and try to keep it below 70%.  That gives you $2,000 to move... and $600 left to pay off or move to a different 0%.


Ok thanks! Ill just throw it all on my QS with the 10500 limit and just disregard the offer for Citi. This will put me at like 66% utilization for that card. By doing it this way, I only have 2 cards i have to pay off, This one and my Fidelity Visa.

 

Thanks everyone for your help.

 

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