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I'm considering this option to pay off personal loans as the stress of these bills is eating me alive and it's getting harder to keep up with. I've got CC debt under control, but the PL lines are killing me. The balances are about 56k, with monthly payments of about 3200 over the next 12-15 months. I spoke to a LO at my current mortgage company and while they're working on details, he estimated that I could potentially cash out at 60k and my mortgage payment would go up roughly $800. That stinks but far better than what I have now. It would pay off those debts with a couple grand extra. I haven't gotten any interest rate details but it's obviously going to be much higher than my current mortgage rate. Still, it's better than the situation I'm in now.
many thoughts on if this is a good idea? From my budget perspective it seems that way. I'm currently FHA but with this I feel like I could refinance within a year to lower the mortgage payment (depending on rates obviously) or even pay more monthly to pay it off faster.
Are there any downsides? As these are personal loans and not credit cards, I'm not worried about "re-adding" the debt as I couldn't use them again even if I wanted to. It seems like a good situation overall, but I also know nothing is ever as good as it seems.
Any insight is appreciated. Also, is the loan/closing process similar to a first mortgage or closer to a regular refi, which didn't require much? How long does it usually take?
Ideally, saving you the most money would be to do everything you can to continue on the path you're on, and finishing out the terms on the personal loans while also not raising your mortgage payment. While reducing your overall monthly obligations by $2400 a month in the short term, you'd want to consider whether the additional interest paid over the life of the mortgage is worth it. That would be in a perfect world, but when is anything perfect. (I know, I know... thanks Captain Obvious)
For some people, financially there is no option, something has to get done. For others, the peace of mind of a lower monthly obligation is worth the price. You could always put some, or all of what you're saving in monthly PL payments towards the mortgage. You could put some (the more, the better) of that money into an HYSA, or other investments, and come back to knocking down the mortgage down the road in a year, or two, or three...
It's your life, and you know it better than anyone. You have to do what is best for you to live as stress free as possible without hurting yourself too much financially both now, and down the road. Whatever plan you find that accomplishes those things the best, and you're comfortable with, is what you should do. Just my 2¢
Best of luck!
Have you looked at opening a HELOC?
The interest on the money you draw from it would be higher than doing a cash out refinance, but it wouldn't affect your existing mortgage, and would almost certainly be lower interest than your personal loans.
Depending on the interest rate, you would likely be looking at minimum payments below $700 per month on $56k during the draw period, which would go lower as you knock down the principle.
While you would certainly want to make much larger payments than the interest only minimum payment to knock the principle down, it would give you a lot of flexibility you don't have with a fixed term.
Info on the current mortgage rate would be helpful ... flying a little blind in offering advice without that.
However, given that rates are at a recent all-time high right now, I would hate to see anyone refi for the sake of debt consolidation. HELOC's aren't particularly cheap right now either, but at least they aford the flexibility of accelerated repayment vs a mortgage, which can save you a bundle. Further, if rates decline significantly down the road (fingers croseed, and likely) refi'ing the HELOC can be done at minimal cost compared to another mortgage refi.
The one thing is that, depending on the lender, you may not be able to get as much out of the HELOC as you might a mortgage. It's a YMMV situation, where some HELOC lenders will only go to 60%-70% total debt/value ratio (including underlying mortgage). You may have to shop around to get he money/credit line you want.
@EaglesFan2006 wrote:I'm considering this option to pay off personal loans as the stress of these bills is eating me alive and it's getting harder to keep up with. I've got CC debt under control, but the PL lines are killing me. The balances are about 56k, with monthly payments of about 3200 over the next 12-15 months. I spoke to a LO at my current mortgage company and while they're working on details, he estimated that I could potentially cash out at 60k and my mortgage payment would go up roughly $800. That stinks but far better than what I have now. It would pay off those debts with a couple grand extra. I haven't gotten any interest rate details but it's obviously going to be much higher than my current mortgage rate. Still, it's better than the situation I'm in now.
many thoughts on if this is a good idea? From my budget perspective it seems that way. I'm currently FHA but with this I feel like I could refinance within a year to lower the mortgage payment (depending on rates obviously) or even pay more monthly to pay it off faster.
Are there any downsides? As these are personal loans and not credit cards, I'm not worried about "re-adding" the debt as I couldn't use them again even if I wanted to. It seems like a good situation overall, but I also know nothing is ever as good as it seems.
Any insight is appreciated. Also, is the loan/closing process similar to a first mortgage or closer to a regular refi, which didn't require much? How long does it usually take?
What is your current rate and what rate are you being offered for the refi?
Am I reading this right, the PLs will be paid off in the next 12-15 months?
If they are going to be paid off in the next 12-15 months, I wouldn't do anything.
You're talking about spending 4-8K in equity to refinance, as well as taking on a higher rate for you largest debt in order to pay off some debts that will be paid off in 12-15 months. IMHO, I would cut out as much of your budget as possible and knock down the PLs as quick as possible.
Let me ask you this. Why did you take the PLs to begin with?
@VAMortgageGuy wrote:
@EaglesFan2006 wrote:I'm considering this option to pay off personal loans as the stress of these bills is eating me alive and it's getting harder to keep up with. I've got CC debt under control, but the PL lines are killing me. The balances are about 56k, with monthly payments of about 3200 over the next 12-15 months. I spoke to a LO at my current mortgage company and while they're working on details, he estimated that I could potentially cash out at 60k and my mortgage payment would go up roughly $800. That stinks but far better than what I have now. It would pay off those debts with a couple grand extra. I haven't gotten any interest rate details but it's obviously going to be much higher than my current mortgage rate. Still, it's better than the situation I'm in now.
many thoughts on if this is a good idea? From my budget perspective it seems that way. I'm currently FHA but with this I feel like I could refinance within a year to lower the mortgage payment (depending on rates obviously) or even pay more monthly to pay it off faster.
Are there any downsides? As these are personal loans and not credit cards, I'm not worried about "re-adding" the debt as I couldn't use them again even if I wanted to. It seems like a good situation overall, but I also know nothing is ever as good as it seems.
Any insight is appreciated. Also, is the loan/closing process similar to a first mortgage or closer to a regular refi, which didn't require much? How long does it usually take?
What is your current rate and what rate are you being offered for the refi?
Am I reading this right, the PLs will be paid off in the next 12-15 months?
If they are going to be paid off in the next 12-15 months, I wouldn't do anything.
You're talking about spending 4-8K in equity to refinance, as well as taking on a higher rate for you largest debt in order to pay off some debts that will be paid off in 12-15 months. IMHO, I would cut out as much of your budget as possible and knock down the PLs as quick as possible.
Let me ask you this. Why did you take the PLs to begin with?
Thanks for the feedback. I know it's not ideal but I'm concerned about being unable to keep up with those payments. As it is I've already utilized things like skip pays, etc, and the stress has gotten to be a lot. It's literally all I think about and it's impacting my health. I also have no emergency funds and can't save at all with every thing going to bills. There were a lot of reasons I got into this mess but ultimately I take responsibility. I've managed to stop using credit cards over the last year so I trust i can move forward and be better.
I know in 15 months 3 out of 4 of those would be gone, the other one is a little longer. But I'd be eliminating 3200 per month for a mortgage that would go up about 700 per month. I figured I'd could pay several hundred more on the mortgage per month to rebuild some of that equity. I can also save and in a couple of years either sell or refinance into something better.
again not ideal but I feel like it might be the best option. But it's not ideal. I already started the app and am waiting for an appraisal. It might be a moot point if that doesn't come through, at which point I lose 445 for it. I can live with that I guess.
I know giving up equity isn't a great thing, but neither is all the stress. Not looking for any sympathy or empathy, just being honest and I know it's my own fault, even the stuff that's out of control. I suppose I think this is better than potentially missing payments on what I have now
other than what you mentioned, is there any long term risk here? If I can pay more (but my estimates a total of 2 extra mortgage payments per year) wouldn't I be in a better spot a couple of years from now?
So ... no discussion of whether a HELOC has been contemplated? And if it's been discounted as an option, why? It's light years better than a mortgage refi ...
@hdporter wrote:So ... no discussion of whether a HELOC has been contemplated? And if it's been discounted as an option, why? It's light years better than a mortgage refi ...
I first tried home equity but was told my score was too low (667 mortgage score). I asked about HELOC but they said with the rates and all it might not make as much sense. I can ask more though.
regardless it all falls on the appraisal, HELOC or no
@EaglesFan2006 wrote:
@VAMortgageGuy wrote:
@EaglesFan2006 wrote:I'm considering this option to pay off personal loans as the stress of these bills is eating me alive and it's getting harder to keep up with. I've got CC debt under control, but the PL lines are killing me. The balances are about 56k, with monthly payments of about 3200 over the next 12-15 months. I spoke to a LO at my current mortgage company and while they're working on details, he estimated that I could potentially cash out at 60k and my mortgage payment would go up roughly $800. That stinks but far better than what I have now. It would pay off those debts with a couple grand extra. I haven't gotten any interest rate details but it's obviously going to be much higher than my current mortgage rate. Still, it's better than the situation I'm in now.
many thoughts on if this is a good idea? From my budget perspective it seems that way. I'm currently FHA but with this I feel like I could refinance within a year to lower the mortgage payment (depending on rates obviously) or even pay more monthly to pay it off faster.
Are there any downsides? As these are personal loans and not credit cards, I'm not worried about "re-adding" the debt as I couldn't use them again even if I wanted to. It seems like a good situation overall, but I also know nothing is ever as good as it seems.
Any insight is appreciated. Also, is the loan/closing process similar to a first mortgage or closer to a regular refi, which didn't require much? How long does it usually take?
What is your current rate and what rate are you being offered for the refi?
Am I reading this right, the PLs will be paid off in the next 12-15 months?
If they are going to be paid off in the next 12-15 months, I wouldn't do anything.
You're talking about spending 4-8K in equity to refinance, as well as taking on a higher rate for you largest debt in order to pay off some debts that will be paid off in 12-15 months. IMHO, I would cut out as much of your budget as possible and knock down the PLs as quick as possible.
Let me ask you this. Why did you take the PLs to begin with?
Thanks for the feedback. I know it's not ideal but I'm concerned about being unable to keep up with those payments. As it is I've already utilized things like skip pays, etc, and the stress has gotten to be a lot. It's literally all I think about and it's impacting my health. I also have no emergency funds and can't save at all with every thing going to bills. There were a lot of reasons I got into this mess but ultimately I take responsibility. I've managed to stop using credit cards over the last year so I trust i can move forward and be better.
I know in 15 months 3 out of 4 of those would be gone, the other one is a little longer. But I'd be eliminating 3200 per month for a mortgage that would go up about 700 per month. I figured I'd could pay several hundred more on the mortgage per month to rebuild some of that equity. I can also save and in a couple of years either sell or refinance into something better.
again not ideal but I feel like it might be the best option. But it's not ideal. I already started the app and am waiting for an appraisal. It might be a moot point if that doesn't come through, at which point I lose 445 for it. I can live with that I guess.
I know giving up equity isn't a great thing, but neither is all the stress. Not looking for any sympathy or empathy, just being honest and I know it's my own fault, even the stuff that's out of control. I suppose I think this is better than potentially missing payments on what I have now
other than what you mentioned, is there any long term risk here? If I can pay more (but my estimates a total of 2 extra mortgage payments per year) wouldn't I be in a better spot a couple of years from now?
At the end of the day, it's all up to you. It's not ideal but it's probably the fastest way to address the issue and alleviate your stress. The main thing is setting yourself up so you don't end up in the same situation.
As a lender, I would also look into a conventional loan. With the amount of equity you should have, it may make more sense because you'll avoid MI and the FHA UFMIP of 1.75%.
Hello!
I just stumbled across your post. I am in an incredibly similar situation. Curious if you ended up going with the cash out refinance and how that has worked out for you…
thanks!!