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Hi Everyone,
I'm wondering about the experience here of offering above asking price. I've heard it's the norm now. We found a house we really liked, and our realtor showed us comps that are 5-23% over asking, which is a pretty big spread. She said a potential concern is the house not being appraised for such a high number in the case of the 23% or similar over asking offers.
This has thrown a wrinkle in our plans, where the house we want/budget we set is about $75-100k under our pre-approval, which we thought would give us the room to offer well over asking, especially in an Atlanta real estate market that continues to see prices increasing.
Stats online show something like only 8% of houses not getting appraised for the offer amount, and fewer when appealed. So, one of my questions is, is that really even an issue if we're only looking to offer around 10-15% over asking?
Would it make sense to have something like a low initial above asking offer (5%-ish) and then an escalation clause up to 10%-ish and then a sub-clause saying we would make up the difference in an appraisal if the appraisal falls short, but by a maximum of up to $10k difference? Is that common?
Apologies here in advance as we're pretty new to this.
@sss205 wrote:Hi Everyone,
I'm wondering about the experience here of offering above asking price. I've heard it's the norm now. We found a house we really liked, and our realtor showed us comps that are 5-23% over asking, which is a pretty big spread. She said a potential concern is the house not being appraised for such a high number in the case of the 23% or similar over asking offers.
This has thrown a wrinkle in our plans, where the house we want/budget we set is about $75-100k under our pre-approval, which we thought would give us the room to offer well over asking, especially in an Atlanta real estate market that continues to see prices increasing.
Stats online show something like only 8% of houses not getting appraised for the offer amount, and fewer when appealed. So, one of my questions is, is that really even an issue if we're only looking to offer around 10-15% over asking?
Would it make sense to have something like a low initial above asking offer (5%-ish) and then an escalation clause up to 10%-ish and then a sub-clause saying we would make up the difference in an appraisal if the appraisal falls short, but by a maximum of up to $10k difference? Is that common?
Apologies here in advance as we're pretty new to this.
I lived in ATL for over 15 years. Some of the markets in the metro area and surrounding suburbs have always been competitive. Whether it makes sense to make an offer like that depends heavily on where your dream house is. The two most competitive counties are Gwinnett and Cobb because their public schools are outstanding. That is where the bulk of the "doctors and lawyers" have taken up residence. Areas like Sandy Springs, anything around Piedmont Park, Vinings trendy arts districts, etc. are also going to get snapped up quickly. Chances a low over asking price gets accepted with all those "contingencies" if they have other offers that are higher over their asking without all those scenarios are what you need to evaluate. Your agent is the best one to advise you if this is a good idea because he/she is should be well tuned in to the market you are trying to purchase in.
I recently purchased and thankfully it was before all the crazy hit and only went $3k above asking which was not even 1%. (I got lucky) The biggest discussion I had with my agent and loan broker was about offering over asking. What every you offer you make sure you can make it up in cash if the appraisal doesn't match the offer you made. Out of the 5 homes I made offers on only 1 was my agent truly concerned that the broker had way over priced it to start with (and explained why) and that the appraisal was not going to come in that high and any potential buyer was going to have to have a lot of cash on hand to complete the purchase. That home ended up being a cash sale so appraisal didn't matter in the end. The home I did buy did appraise for the price I offered so I had no issues.
The bottom line is regardless of statistics, guesses, and prayers what ever offer you make needs to be one you can complete and afford. You cannot count on an appraisal coming in the way you want it to or an appeal working. The bank is not going to finance over the appraisal even if you are spending less than the amount you are approved for in the final total.
While I can't speak specifically to the ATL market, typically...to your point....most desirable homes are desirable to several buyers at once...hence the multiple offer scenario. I also feel that realtors know this and may set the price at a fair price knowing full well and telling their seller, multiple offers will come in over ask. In the last few weeks, this feverish cycle has slowed due to rates but at the end of the day, if you love the home and it's in a hot/desirable market, others are interested too so this still exists...
Offering over ask if you REALLY want it is a sound idea...if you can take it or leave it, then you don't need to be so aggressive. Since you could be competing with cash buyers or those with more cash upfront, I would suggest including your earnest money with your offer or showing proof of funds with the offer to the seller to solidify your intent. Also, as you stated, if the appraisal comes in under...yes, you'll be expected to make up the difference in cash so telling your seller you're prepared and can also show proof of funds for that may help your position. While price has long been a factor and to some still may be...I also think that sellers are also looking at the specifics of those offers to determine which is the likeliest to not fall out of escrow or have any contingencies or issues to close on time.
Good luck.
Well now I've run into another issue. I've been assigned a mortgage officer from SoFi who will not answer the phone or respond. We have a home we’d like to put in an offer for today, which is the deadline and the subject of this overall post. I need to speak with someone at SoFi who can tell me the timelines for financing and appraisal, which my realtor needs to put in the offer. I cannot reach anyone, and I'm not sure how to proceed.
We seem to basically be out of the running already because of unresponsiveness from SoFi, as their home loan division is also closed on the weekend!
@sss205 wrote:Well now I've run into another issue. I've been assigned a mortgage officer from SoFi who will not answer the phone or respond. We have a home we’d like to put in an offer for today, which is the deadline and the subject of this overall post. I need to speak with someone at SoFi who can tell me the timelines for financing and appraisal, which my realtor needs to put in the offer. I cannot reach anyone, and I'm not sure how to proceed.
We seem to basically be out of the running already because of unresponsiveness from SoFi, as their home loan division is also closed on the weekend!
Yep, if you didn't get that yet...you may be out of luck to get something definitive...but if you want to proceed today...typically, you can ask for a 45 day close...because of your financing limitation though some others may be coming in with short times to close...and the appraisal contingency would/could be removed after an appraisal is done...which could take 2 weeks typically. It really depends on who SOFI hires to do the appraisal and the speed of the local person in the market to complete it.
Since your lacking definitive info today, if you really want it, submit your offer and explain to your agent to explain to the sellers agent your situation and state that while this is based off of your knowledge today...Sunday June 12, you could potentially shorten this escrow period and contingency once you speak to the bank on MON. The seller may not like that and another more attractive offer may be in their hands at the same time so that's the risk you take. If your agent happens to have a relationship with the sellers agent...that connection may help to appeal your position and sway the sellers. Good luck!
I'm scheduled to close in two weeks on an offer 7.5% over asking. We bid 11% over and weren't close on one property, one house we bid 10% over and it ended up going for 50% over. Our appraisal is scheduled for Tuesday with a decision due on Friday. If I remember I will try to update here. We were told by our agent that you best bet is just to put in your best offer with as few restrictions as you can.
We just put in our first offer! We went 5% over asking with an escalation clause to 11%. It appears recent comps show no issues should arise from an appraisal standpoint, but we did put in a clause that we'd make up $10k of an appraisal gap.
Also, we upped or down payment from 3% to 5% as our realtor said that helps.
I'm sure some hedge fund will do 50% over asking all-cash, but it feels good to be finally in the game!
@sss205 wrote:We just put in our first offer! We went 5% over asking with an escalation clause to 11%. It appears recent comps show no issues should arise from an appraisal standpoint, but we did put in a clause that we'd make up $10k of an appraisal gap.
Also, we upped or down payment from 3% to 5% as our realtor said that helps.
I'm sure some hedge fund will do 50% over asking all-cash, but it feels good to be finally in the game!
Congratulations and Best Wishes! Hope you get it...keep us informed...🥂
One other question here for anyone: our LO told us we have no financial contingencies (we already submitted our income/account docs for the pre-approval), so our offer letter has 0 by days for Financial Contingency. How does that compare to a cash offer or to others that do have that?
I can imagine it's not necessarily as good as a cash offer, but it can't be that far behind right, as it's essentially guaranteeing we will get the money.
@sss205 wrote:One other question here for anyone: our LO told us we have no financial contingencies (we already submitted our income/account docs for the pre-approval), so our offer letter has 0 by days for Financial Contingency. How does that compare to a cash offer or to others that do have that?
I can imagine it's not necessarily as good as a cash offer, but it can't be that far behind right, as it's essentially guaranteeing we will get the money.
Your assumption is correct...though technically, someone could hypothesize that something could happen with your financing though with cash, it's pretty much done. It's really now all about the perspective of the seller and what they are deciding against...