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I was thinking of things to do to safely make a few bucks off one or more 12 month 0% APR intro bonus on a new credit cards, assuming you are ok with taking a FICO score hit for the utilization on the card(s).
Run your spend through the cards like normal, but buy a short term CD of the same higher value as it would have taken to pay off the purchases each month.
Obviously would not work for the final 3 months of the 0% period, so could chuck the money in a HYSA those months.
A couple of days before the end of the 0% period, pay it all off with the cash from the CDs and HYSA.
3 and 6 month CDs can be had at 5.6% APY, and HYSA at 4.6%. Maybe better on both, but those are what I'm looking at now.
It seems like a surprising low effort way to safely make a few hundred to a thousand+ dollars letting a bank pay you to use your money while another bank pays you, via welcome bonus and travel/cash rewards, to use their money.
Even lower effort if you skip the CDs and just do a HYSA.
Am I missing something?
Someone has to have tried/is currently doing this, how's it pan out?🤔
@markbeiser wrote:I was thinking of things to do to safely make a few bucks off one or more 12 month 0% APR intro bonus on a new credit cards, assuming you are ok with taking a FICO score hit for the utilization on the card(s).
Run your spend through the cards like normal, but buy a short term CD of the same higher value as it would have taken to pay off the purchases each month.
Obviously would not work for the final 3 months of the 0% period, so could chuck the money in a HYSA those months.
A couple of days before the end of the 0% period, pay it all off with the cash from the CDs and HYSA.
3 and 6 month CDs can be had at 5.6% APY, and HYSA at 4.6%. Maybe better on both, but those are what I'm looking at now.
It seems like a surprising low effort way to safely make a few hundred to a thousand+ dollars letting a bank pay you to use your money while another bank pays you, via welcome bonus and travel/cash rewards, to use their money.
Even lower effort if you skip the CDs and just do a HYSA.
Am I missing something?
Someone has to have tried/is currently doing this, how's it pan out?🤔
I'm sure it would be just peachy, if you think it's worth it to muck up your credit scores and acquire cards you don't need. And I don't think you would make as much as you think you would. And also bear in mind that the current interest rate climate isn't going to last very long.
@SouthJamaica wrote:I'm sure it would be just peachy, if you think it's worth it to muck up your credit scores and acquire cards you don't need. And I don't think you would make as much as you think you would. And also bear in mind that the current interest rate climate isn't going to last very long.
All true!🤣
Also, on further reflection over another dram of whiskey, it occurred to me that maxing out a new $20k+ limit card runs the risk of triggering AA on other cards, so lets just mark this one in the "Silly whisky inspired ideas" category.🤪🥃
@markbeiser wrote:
@SouthJamaica wrote:I'm sure it would be just peachy, if you think it's worth it to muck up your credit scores and acquire cards you don't need. And I don't think you would make as much as you think you would. And also bear in mind that the current interest rate climate isn't going to last very long.
All true!🤣
Also, on further reflection over another dram of whiskey, it occurred to me that maxing out a new $20k+ limit card runs the risk of triggering AA on other cards, so lets just mark this one in the "Silly whisky inspired ideas" category.🤪🥃
More importantly, can you get me some of that whiskey? I'm in need of some kind of inspiration myself
I've read a few people say that they do this. But for this to even make sense, you'd have to make sure there is a $0 balance transfer fee. A one time 3 - 5% fee will gouge or even wipe out your annual 5% return. $0 fee + 0% seem to be getting harder and harder to find. Plus, it's not like you're getting the lump sum as a cash advance, it would be a balance transfer. It might be best to just focus on paying down the balance at 0% than to try to make a little extra money.
@ptatohed wrote:I've read a few people say that they do this. But for this to even make sense, you'd have to make sure there is a $0 balance transfer fee. A one time 3 - 5% fee will gouge or even wipe out your annual 5% return. $0 fee + 0% seem to be getting harder and harder to find. Plus, it's not like you're getting the lump sum as a cash advance, it would be a balance transfer. It might be best to just focus on paying down the balance at 0% than to try to make a little extra money.
This idea doesn't involve balance trasfers at all, it is for 0% APR on purchases offers.
@markbeiser wrote:
@ptatohed wrote:I've read a few people say that they do this. But for this to even make sense, you'd have to make sure there is a $0 balance transfer fee. A one time 3 - 5% fee will gouge or even wipe out your annual 5% return. $0 fee + 0% seem to be getting harder and harder to find. Plus, it's not like you're getting the lump sum as a cash advance, it would be a balance transfer. It might be best to just focus on paying down the balance at 0% than to try to make a little extra money.
This idea doesn't involve balance trasfers at all, it is for 0% APR on purchases offers.
I see what you are saying.
So, say you have 0% on purchases for 12 months and let's say you have a $12,000+ CL and you spend $1,000 per month. So, instead of paying your CC bill in full each month, you take that $1,000 and put it in a HYSA?
I'm not sure you'd be too happy with the results. Let's say your HYSA offer 5% APY. That's a 0.417% monthly yield. You'd earn .00417 x $1000 = $4.17 first month. .00417 x $2000 = $8.34 second month. $12.51 the third month.......... and $50.04 the twelfth month. So, about $325 for the year. Meanwhile, if you just used a straight 2% CB card for that $12,000 spend, you'd have earned $240 ($300 at 2.5% CB and $360 at 3% CB).
So, your idea does come out ahead over a 2% card by $85. It's up to each individual to decide if it's worth it.
@ptatohed wrote:I see what you are saying.
So, say you have 0% on purchases for 12 months and let's say you have a $12,000+ CL and you spend $1,000 per month. So, instead of paying your CC bill in full each month, you take that $1,000 and put it in a HYSA?
I'm not sure you'd be too happy with the results. Let's say your HYSA offer 5% APY. That's a 0.417% monthly yield. You'd earn .00417 x $1000 = $4.17 first month. .00417 x $2000 = $8.34 second month. $12.51 the third month.......... and $50.04 the twelfth month. So, about $325 for the year. Meanwhile, if you just used a straight 2% CB card for that $12,000 spend, you'd have earned $240 ($300 at 2.5% CB and $360 at 3% CB).
So, your idea does come out ahead over a 2% card by $85. It's up to each individual to decide if it's worth it.
Yeah, it isn't a lot of money, but it is "free" money!
With a card that had a 20k limit, I worked out that you could get around $650 utilizing short term CDs and a HYSA, if the current rates on them hold.
If I were to do it, I'd do it with a card I was getting good rewards/CB on the spend, and a SUB to go along with the 0% on purchases period.
More of a "for the lulz" way to claw some "free" money from the banks, but probably not worth the temporary score hit, and possible AA from other skittish lenders.
@markbeiser wrote:
@ptatohed wrote:I see what you are saying.
So, say you have 0% on purchases for 12 months and let's say you have a $12,000+ CL and you spend $1,000 per month. So, instead of paying your CC bill in full each month, you take that $1,000 and put it in a HYSA?
I'm not sure you'd be too happy with the results. Let's say your HYSA offer 5% APY. That's a 0.417% monthly yield. You'd earn .00417 x $1000 = $4.17 first month. .00417 x $2000 = $8.34 second month. $12.51 the third month.......... and $50.04 the twelfth month. So, about $325 for the year. Meanwhile, if you just used a straight 2% CB card for that $12,000 spend, you'd have earned $240 ($300 at 2.5% CB and $360 at 3% CB).
So, your idea does come out ahead over a 2% card by $85. It's up to each individual to decide if it's worth it.
Yeah, it isn't a lot of money, but it is "free" money!
With a card that had a 20k limit, I worked out that you could get around $650 utilizing short term CDs and a HYSA, if the current rates on them hold.
If I were to do it, I'd do it with a card I was getting good rewards/CB on the spend, and a SUB to go along with the 0% on purchases period.
More of a "for the lulz" way to claw some "free" money from the banks, but probably not worth the temporary score hit, and possible AA from other skittish lenders.
Right but, in my example, if you could average ~2.75% CB with other card(s), you could be losing money. 2.75%+ CB average is not hard to meet if you are willing to use the right card or a combo of cards. I, for instance, get no less than 3% CB with any CC purchase and I get 5% at every opportunity, bringing my average CB to notably over 3%.
@ptatohed wrote:Right but, in my example, if you could average ~2.75% CB with other card(s), you could be losing money. 2.75%+ CB average is not hard to meet if you are willing to use the right card or a combo of cards. I, for instance, get no less than 3% CB with any CC purchase and I get 5% at every opportunity, bringing my average CB to notably over 3%.
As I said, I'd only do it with a card that also got good CB rewards...