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Ok probably not the best title, but when all the banks keep trying to entice me with their 0% APR BT offers, I started doing some reading and realized that 0% APR AND 0 BT fee cards do exist, specifically Chase Slate and BankAmericard (the MC version) + a bunch of CU cards.
Now, I've received more than enough BT checks from BoA to know that I can indeed write them out to my name and cash them, effectively allowing me to do a "BT" (really more of a cash advance) up to my credit limit. So let's suppose I applied for the BankAmericard, then shifted my CL around so it had say a 20K limit. I could then request a BT check to the tune of $15000, and then let it sit pretty in a high-yield savings account (or a 12 month CD) to garner interest (let's call it 1.5%) As long as I made the minimum monthly payments to stay current, and paid off the entire sum before the 0% promo period expired, that's effectively an easy $200+ in interest a year.
Obviously I could (and probably should/would) invest that money for a much higher ROI, but I'm just considering the simplest scenario here to make things easier. Does anyone see any issues with this plan? I know I'm going to take a severe ding to my FICO for having super high util (>75%), which opens me up to potential AA, and the obvious risk of loss of principal in investments. But other than that I can't think of any. So part of me thinks it's just too good to be true -- what bank would front you $15K and let you use that money completely interest free for a year as long as you repaid them in full after 12 months or however long the 0% promo period was? Feels like there's gotta be a catch somewhere.
Another thought: just realized this could be a perfect way to have your cake and eat it too when it comes to buying cars.
Cut yourself a BT check to make up whatever amount you need to buy a car in cash (so you get the cash rebate). Then take advantage of the 12/15/18 month 0% APR to effectively receive 0% APR financing AND buy the car at the cash rebate price.
I feel like I'm definitely missing something here... 🤔🤔
IMO alot of headache with not much return and with "risker" investments there is a chance something to go wrong. In-turn chance of AA from issuer assuming you CL is 15k and you make min. monthly payment. I prefer to chase checking account bonuses average are 200-300 with easy requirements as they are easy cash for not much effort as long as you have the cash to float several or even one at any given time.
Oh believe me I'm chasing bank bonuses like crazy this year. My goal is to get to $1500 if at all possible (or at the very least, $1200).
The stuff about BT is all theoretical at this point. Ideally if I really were to do this it'd have to be 35K on a 50K limit card to make it worth my while, but that's somewhat wishful thinking at this point. What got me started was thinking about the practical advantages of a high CL and how I could make the most of it. Besides, only so many bank bonuses you can churn every year. 😂😂😂
What about the scenario involving car buying? If everything plays out like I described then seems like it truly is a way to get the cash rebate and enjoy "0% financing" at the same time. Invariably when a dealership offers "0% financing", it isn't really 0% since you're giving up the cash rebate, which typically amounts to 5-10% of a car's MSRP.
I think your analysis is fine, but it shouldn't be surprising. The issuers expect the vast majority of their customers not to do something like this. It's not very different from using a card only in the 5% categories, which loses some money for the issuer, but again, most people don't do just that. If the 0% become a problem, the issuers would change the rules.
Sweet. I know exactly what to do next time I'm in the market for a car.
You are braver than me to try this, haha. I would most definitely NOT put the money in an unguaranteed investment. Actually, I wouldn't do this at all, in any way, for investment or buying a car.
Seems REALLY risky for a very small return.
The terms are very clear, they'll loan you cash at %0 for a short period of time, but if you don't give it back to them after the 0% period wears off, you pay extreme interest.
Lots of things can go wrong during that 0% period that cause you to not be able to pay it back. That is the whole reason BT cards exist, financial plans gone awry.
I don't think the banks allow balance transfer checks to be written to oneself. I think the banks' computers would quickly realize that the payee is not another bank and would treat the check as a cash advance check, triggering the cash advance interest rate rather than the balance transfer interest rate.
wrote:I don't think the banks allow balance transfer checks to be written to oneself. I think the banks' computers would quickly realize that the payee is not another bank and would treat the check as a cash advance check, triggering the cash advance interest rate rather than the balance transfer interest rate.
This.
Even the rare 0% APR + 0% BT fee offer would potentially still be coded as a CA. BofA, for example, when I login says that putting money into your checking account is a CA.
wrote:I don't think the banks allow balance transfer checks to be written to oneself. I think the banks' computers would quickly realize that the payee is not another bank and would treat the check as a cash advance check, triggering the cash advance interest rate rather than the balance transfer interest rate.
Many CC issuers do allow this and treated as same terms as a BT. I have never personally done this, but have read many people that have done this all depends on issuer and terms I would assume