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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: Dave Ramsey question


@Yankee2 wrote:

I don't agree with everything Dave says, but I REALLY think the no debt approach works. 


And therein is where we disagree, debt is a tool no different than a chainsaw, properly used, it can make you money, used incorrectly, it can hurt you.

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

In the proverbial sock drawer:
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incognitony
Frequent Contributor

Re: Dave Ramsey question

Maybe Ramsey works for the Leatherface types of the financial world.

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OmarR
Established Contributor

Re: Dave Ramsey question


@Anonymous wrote:

I am a forensic pathologist and I have spoken to others in my field about Dave Ramsey, they just laugh and tell me not to listen to a word he says. 


 

 Because they're pathologists?  That makes no sense. 

 EQ=850   TU=849     EX=850       0/24       UTIL=$1      AZEO

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Anonymous
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Re: Dave Ramsey question


@Horseshoez wrote:

@Yankee2 wrote:

@Horseshoez wrote:

@Yankee2 wrote:

@Horseshoez wrote:

@jmw1 wrote:

I don't agree with everything Dave says, but I agree that I would rather have $100k in the bank with a zero FICO/zero open credit cards than a shaky $5000 emergency fund with a 850 FICO and a huge number of cards exceeding $200k in open lines.


Kind of from the sublime to the rediculous, don't you think?  I would much rather have say, investments of $100,000 and a 0% car loan for $30,000 than $70,000 in investments and a car free and clear.

 

One point of his teaching is positive cash flow.  In your above example, you have to make that car payment every month even if things go bad.  If you have something happen like a job loss,  that money that was invested may not be accessable and you still have that loan to pay off....

 

Lots of examples of unexpected things going bad are seen on this forum..  Also very similiar on how Dave went broke..

 

Me personally, I would take the $70k and no debt any day...


LOL, apparently you don't understand how investment money works.


LOL, apparently you have never had a life changing moment.....


Maybe it's just me, but I think having one's business partner open up numerous lines of credit in my name and then running up a quarter of a million in debt and forcing me into a Chaper 13 qualifies as a life changing event.


Wow, I am really sorry this happened to you. Just because he was a  business partner, what gave him the right to sign your name to obtain credit? I was under the impression that no one other then yourself has the right to do that.  Is he sitting in jail for doing this? I hope so. No one should have the right to ruin your life even if it is temporary.

Thanks

Mark

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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: Dave Ramsey question


@Anonymous wrote:


Wow, I am really sorry this happened to you. Just because he was a  business partner, what gave him the right to sign your name to obtain credit? I was under the impression that no one other then yourself has the right to do that.  Is he sitting in jail for doing this? I hope so. No one should have the right to ruin your life even if it is temporary.

Thanks

Mark


He handled all of the books for the company and of course had all of my personal information.  As I understand the chronology, he opened up three credit cards and two business lines of credit in my name back in the late 1980s and early 1990s (I assume the signatures were forged), unbeknownst to me, and used them from time to time to fund inventory and such.  It never popped up on my radar as the bills were always paid and I never thought to check.  Then, just prior to the recession in the late 2000s, he got the brilliant idea of starting a niche business which was "going to make us rich", and he used the credit cards and LOCs to fund the buildout of the facility and hire a marketing staff; all without doing any real due diligence on whether the new business was viable.

 

You can see the train-wreck fast approaching; the combination of the recession and the lack of knowledge in the business space he entered led to a cash bleed lasting almost four years, during which time the business didn't turn a single penny of income.  I didn't find out what was going on until the collections calls started coming.

 

As for sending him to prison, I didn't bother, he spent plenty of his own money as well and was deep in his own financial crisis when I left the company and went to work for one of our clients; I've heard through the grapevine he has retired and is living off his social security, but that's pretty much all I've heard.  I suppose in the long run it was a good thing; from a financial perspective, I am far better off now than if the fraud hadn't happened and I'd stayed with the company.  Granted, I had to restart my saving for retirement over from scratch in my late 50s, but that too has worked out pretty well.  Smiley Happy

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

In the proverbial sock drawer:
Message 75 of 78
Save-n-Invest
Established Contributor

Re: Dave Ramsey question

Ramsey may motivate some people to manage money better. That's good in my book. If his philosoophy as much as I disagree works for some those people are better off. I totally agree that debt free is more comfortable than being in debt. That's just me. There are probably better uses of money than the way I do it. My way works well for me. I really don't care what others think or do. 

 

My issues with Ramsey are that he is dogmatic and brings religion and his political philosophy into the discussion. Politics definitely  impacts fianance. Limit his comments to the way policy impacts finance not his obvious red stuff.

 

His show. He can say what he wants. 

 

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Save-n-Invest
Established Contributor

Re: Dave Ramsey question


@OmarR wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I am a forensic pathologist and I have spoken to others in my field about Dave Ramsey, they just laugh and tell me not to listen to a word he says. 


 

 Because they're pathologists?  That makes no sense. 


Because there is significant pathology in his weird rants.  lol

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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: Dave Ramsey question

This thread has run its course. 

 

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