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@NRB525 wrote:Dave Ramsey's main audience are folks in debt. They are paying interest costs. In order to get out of debt, to reduce and eliminate that interest cost, his methods have to be simple and direct.
The participants here have often gotten beyond that point, are usually paying less interest. With a goal of improving FICO score, that means this group is often not in heavy debt.
The discussion when you have options to choose how to pay for something is different from the discussion when you don't have any room left on the cards in your wallet and the collectors are dialing for dollars. Don't diss Dave for being consistently direct to his audience.
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I think for his audience (many of them, anyway) his teachings are OK, but I agree that many folks here not a good fit for his methods.
Personally I have no problem at all using credit card to earn rewards, and occasionally to carry a balance for a 0% promo APR when the need arises. I don't need someone with a 'direct' demeanor telling me how to spend and save, but there are folks who do.
From what I've heard, most of his advice is generally good, if slightly dated (as previous poster mentioned re: the difference between savings and credit cards). The people who follow it will very likely reduce debt and start building wealth.
Some people, though, benefit from a more personalized strategy. For instance, due to the amount of student loans I have and how the repayment terms are structured relative to my income, I currently benefit more by only paying the minimum required every month than by using Dave Ramsey's "snowball" method or similar. And thanks to the valuable info here, members of this forum can use credit cards responsibly and get paid for the privilege.
Dave is helpful for people in debt and those who might not have the most common sense when it comes to money (not trying to offend anyone here). If you don't know squat about personal finance, give him a listen for some time, but then get away from him. I had to tune him out completely when I heard him suggesting to avoid credit cards and promoting the "snowball" method for paying down debt. Those two pieces of advice are complete nonsense. He offers some great advice but there are some times when he is flat out wrong. Based on that, I find him hard to trust on topics that I might not know much about, which defeats the purpose of listening to him.
I think most people who have been on the MyFICO boards for a while realize that you need to set up a specific plan to meet your specific situation. No one plan fits all. You also have to be willing to amend your plan as your situation changes.
Where I think some people are helped by Dave Ramsey and Susie Orman is where they need an authoritative person to lead them out of their problem. They need to stop doing the wrong things that got them into their current mess.
I think if you have the discipline the advise you get on these board will lead you on a straighter path to fix your problem and keep you out of trouble.
I also listen to Dave quite a bit and agree with much of what he states. My concern is that he believes in a zero credit score. He says you can still get a mortgage with specific lenders but he never addresses the fact that some employers check credit before hiring you as well as setting up phone, cable, utilities, insurance, and the list goes on and on. Without a score you will either be di ied or have to pay a higher amount in deposits or monthly service.
@tsu1112 wrote:I also listen to Dave quite a bit and agree with much of what he states. My concern is that he believes in a zero credit score. He says you can still get a mortgage with specific lenders but he never addresses the fact that some employers check credit before hiring you as well as setting up phone, cable, utilities, insurance, and the list goes on and on. Without a score you will either be di ied or have to pay a higher amount in deposits or monthly service.
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I've personally known people who had little to no credit (but no bad credit); they simply paid cash with everything.
Life quickly became a hassle, though, when it came time to get utilities (as you mention) or do something as mundane as rent a car. There are agencies that will let you rent with a debit card - I did when I was rebuilding - but you have to keep enough money in your bank account to cover the deposit, which not everybody can do.
People who live "off the credit grid" are able to 'get by', but it requires a level of planning and effort most of us don't have to deal with.
@UncleB wrote:
@tsu1112 wrote:I also listen to Dave quite a bit and agree with much of what he states. My concern is that he believes in a zero credit score. He says you can still get a mortgage with specific lenders but he never addresses the fact that some employers check credit before hiring you as well as setting up phone, cable, utilities, insurance, and the list goes on and on. Without a score you will either be di ied or have to pay a higher amount in deposits or monthly service.
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I've personally known people who had little to no credit (but no bad credit); they simply paid cash with everything.
Life quickly became a hassle, though, when it came time to get utilities (as you mention) or do something as mundane as rent a car. There are agencies that will let you rent with a debit card - I did when I was rebuilding - but you have to keep enough money in your bank account to cover the deposit, which not everybody can do.
People who live "off the credit grid" are able to 'get by', but it requires a level of planning and effort most of us don't have to deal with.
That was me dude, I wore the numbers off my BOFA debit card.
Then sitting in a Corner Bakery two days bfore my registration date here talking with a buddy over breakfast, realized I could never afford a house without credit, and went to do something about it.
Could've paid cash for a house in some areas of the country, but nowhere close to all and not where I live in S. Cali. My condo is 1/3 the price of the houses in the good school districts, and I couldn't have covered that marker in cash still would've been short by ~50K, and finding the additional 700K (by which time prices would have moved again) well yeah. On the flipside I was pre-approved for something like 1.1M based on income / downpayment / credit, so could've been done there leveraging credit if it had made sense to do so.
Hard to live a cash-based existence here anyway unless you plan on renting forever: that's not necessarily a deal killer, but sooner or later financially think it's way way better to get into the housing market especially while we still have our mortgage interest rate deduction anyway.
I love Dave Ramsey!
First the assumptions here are horrible. Seriously, are some you even a part of Dave's forum or facebook groups? Stop assuming everyone who follows him are in debt.
1. I follow Dave not because I am in debt. Unless you count my mortgage! We are not in debt. We have credit cards and pay them in full. We don't spend just to spend. We budget while using credit cards.
2. Dave Ramsey is wonderful for people who are new to budgeting and saving.
3. His program is biblically based so it makes it even better. He teaches tithing/giving. I like that.
4. You dont have to follow everything he says; most of his teachings are wonderful. Take what you need and spit out the rest.