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Jobenwish1987
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Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

Hey,

I am terribly sorry to hear that you're going through this. 

I was in a bit of a similar situation. 

I had no choice but to pull the plug and hire a consolidation company. 

I had a 740+ credit score for years, so seeing it plummet really hurt, but boy, was it worth it!

 

I hired a company to consolidate my debt and they did a wonderful job. 

They took my debt of $26,000 and reduced it to $11,000(fees included) over 48 months of $229.

 

My debts are pretty similar except for they were all personal loans and no credit cards. 

 

For me, knowing that my monthly payments were reduced from $611 to $229 was enough for me to do this. 

 

After 12 months of making my payments the company paid the remaining balances off for me, and at an interest free loan, I repaid them back over 36 months. 

 

I had good credit within 18 months from the start date. I am now back on my feet with credit cards that get paid in full every month. 

 

***Disclaimer - I don't advocate for debt consolidation especially not with every company out there as most of them don't deliver on there promises. I'm sharing my experience and appreciation for the company that I hired and saying that some companies really could help you. 

 

I hope your story turns out as happy as mine. 

I wish you the best of luck!

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Clancaster23
Established Member

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

You mind saying which one you went with?  I still haven't started it as I'm still waiting and hoping that things will work out. I'm wanting to wait til I'm absolutely sure I can't wait any longer.

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IsambardPrince
Established Contributor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

Bankruptcy doesn't mean you have to turn in the vehicles. 

 

They just become the sole obligation of your wife if she's the other person listed on the loans. Your name would still be on the titles and you could keep paying on those and get the title in the end while the unsecured debt (personal loans, credit cards, and so on) goes bye bye.

 

It would likely be best that you did not re-affirm any debt related to the vehicles or your part in this liability mess could survive the bankruptcy without you being eligible for another discharge for eight years.

 

In fact, having your wife's name on the titles severely complicates the trustee's job of trying to seize even if you can't exempt enough of the car's value, because your wife has equitable interest in the property. It would be tantamount to stealing from a non-bankrupt debtor.

 

You'd just have bad credit for a few years.

 

Depends on your state exemptions and how much of the loan is actually paid/equity you actually have as to if the trustee could place your house in jeopardy or not. Normally, your wife won't need to file bankruptcy over your debts unless you live in a community property state or there's just no other way to exempt the full amount of the house (or at least enough that the trustee isn't going to take it).

 

Many bankruptcy attorneys do a free consult and I think it's an option worth considering if your situation has deteriorated to the point where it's hopeless and this is the only option for a quick turnaround. Just realize that you won't be taking on a lot of debt again for a while most likely, but do you really want to?

 

In the future, I would advise not signing any more loan agreements that assume your job and income will remain steady. It seems like your employer has cut your income several times already and is a fair bit of economic trouble themselves, that or they sometimes do this to start giving someone "the hint" that it's time to "resign", and then they don't owe UI. Either way, it's never a safe assumption that your income today will continue unchanged.

 

As for creditors, they just do what creditors do. Load you with as much debt as they can legally justify. They love car and house loans because most people will go without food before they lose those, so they only have to repossess sometimes.  Loans are essentially "stealing from your imaginary future income". They assume that life and the world exist in a steady state. So unless you have a crystal ball with you in the finance room, you should be wary of long term commitments. 

 

As with everything in life, you have to watch out for these people because they're not in your corner. You have to pick your battles and know when to take calculated risks and when to show restraint, and if all you're doing is taking on loans because "I want, I want, I want." you become very exposed.

 

Sometimes I see things, on Facebook, that make me fully cognizant of how people out there behave with money. The other day, someone was actually begging for money so they could make a down payment on a 30 year mortgage. They can't even go out and work and save that much, and they expect other people that are caught up in trench warfare against the banks, making their own payments so they don't lose their houses that month, are going to go for this.

 

Or a guy I know in San Francisco where he said "Oh I make a lot of money." at one of those tech companies that makes no money and is a cash furnace running on loans itself, with no profit. So he goes and gets himself a $3 million mortgage and then another one for a cabin with wildfire damage out in some park where the wildfires even melted the phone lines and he can't get a phone and now he thinks the California government will make AT&T build 7 miles of copper lines under "carrier of last resort" and that's not what this is.

 

Sometimes, you just want to know, morbid curiosity, what went through these people's minds that made them think financing all this stuff on an iffy job was a good idea. I mean, this is like "invading Russia in winter" bad.

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IsambardPrince
Established Contributor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?


@Jobenwish1987 wrote:

Hey,

I am terribly sorry to hear that you're going through this. 

I was in a bit of a similar situation. 

I had no choice but to pull the plug and hire a consolidation company. 

I had a 740+ credit score for years, so seeing it plummet really hurt, but boy, was it worth it!

 

I hired a company to consolidate my debt and they did a wonderful job. 

They took my debt of $26,000 and reduced it to $11,000(fees included) over 48 months of $229.

 

My debts are pretty similar except for they were all personal loans and no credit cards. 

 

For me, knowing that my monthly payments were reduced from $611 to $229 was enough for me to do this. 

 

After 12 months of making my payments the company paid the remaining balances off for me, and at an interest free loan, I repaid them back over 36 months. 

 

I had good credit within 18 months from the start date. I am now back on my feet with credit cards that get paid in full every month. 

 

***Disclaimer - I don't advocate for debt consolidation especially not with every company out there as most of them don't deliver on there promises. I'm sharing my experience and appreciation for the company that I hired and saying that some companies really could help you. 

 

I hope your story turns out as happy as mine. 

I wish you the best of luck!


The truth about debt relief companies is a bad one. The industry is basically operated as an extension of the creditors who wrote all the loans in the first place. They know full well that most people don't complete their payments and file bankruptcy anyway, but this lets them get what they can out of them first. And it is notated on your credit reports that those accounts went into a debt management plan, which is horrible for your credit, AND you still end up paying a lot of it back.

 

As the saying goes, when the bank owes you money, you have a problem, when you owe the bank money, the bank has a problem.

 

Sometimes if it's just a few things you need to sit down and address, it's better to negotiate directly with them if you're sure that you can avoid a bankruptcy. Some creditors are fairly lenient and while it may damage your reputation with them, a DMP surely will and worse (because many advise default and THEN letting them step in). Most creditors advise coming to them and asking for help before you start missing payments.

 

Having the creditor modify it before the bureaus start logging negatives is much better than "LATE LATE LATE LATE CHARGE OFF....Oh look, now he's in a DMP."

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Clancaster23
Established Member

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

"Having the creditor modify it before the bureaus start logging negatives is much better than "LATE LATE LATE LATE CHARGE OFF....Oh look, now he's in a DMP."

 

So you're saying if I was actrually going to do this, I'd be better off starting it before I fall behind on payments?

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IsambardPrince
Established Contributor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?


@Clancaster23 wrote:

"Having the creditor modify it before the bureaus start logging negatives is much better than "LATE LATE LATE LATE CHARGE OFF....Oh look, now he's in a DMP."

 

So you're saying if I was actrually going to do this, I'd be better off starting it before I fall behind on payments?


Yeah, because by the time you default they have no reason to work with you. So you're just basically begging them to say "Fine, deal with the collection agency." and end up in bankruptcy anyway.

 

So as my posts have stated, you have two roads here. Negotiation or bankruptcy. If you choose negotiation I'd be on the phone with all the creditors you think you can get a modification or hardship program out of going "I'm in sort of a pickle here and before anything goes late, I want to see if you'll work with me.", but they're under no obligation, but many of them will do something especially unsecured creditors who could lose the entire thing and have nothing to immediately claw back without going to court or selling the debt for pennies to someone who will actually deal with that themselves.

 

So the idea, what you'd be looking for with negotiation, is to try to get some of the credit card or personal loan companies to quit breathing down your neck so hard so you can get this debt cleaned up faster. Don't waste the time they give you if you can get some agreements going and they'll actually help you get where you need to be (debt free).

 

But the alternative, bankruptcy, is basically where you go tell a judge you can't pay your bills and you can protect what the law says you can. It's an option if you qualify (like I did for a Chapter 7), where the debt goes away, but you'll be living lean with limited access to credit for a while as you rebuild.

 

The good news is with "Default and bankruptcy." is if you go that route you have probably a year or two before people get around to suing, so you should be doing the consult with the lawyer now to start asking how your situation would play out, and if you decide to do a bankruptcy, be sure not to take on any new debt. But I wouldn't do this on a lark. My cousin thought she'd just declare bankruptcy and defaulted on everything without asking any lawyer for advice, then the lawyer told her she'd lose her house if she did because she made a huge decision based on too little information. So now she has people suing her and garnishing things.

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JoeRockhead
Senior Contributor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

@Clancaster23 I just want you to be fully aware that legitimate credit counseling agencies that administer true DMPs are generally always non profit organizations. Many of them are approved by the Dept. of Justice. If you go that route I would search the DOJ, or your State Attorney General's office for a list of approved agencies to assist you on that path. 

 

Please also be aware that there are spammers who come here regularly to promote their business of "helping" people get out of debt. They will often tell of incredible success stories which lead vulnerable people down the wrong road. The continued attempted references by another poster regarding their success with their "angel" is one such prime example. That business isn't even accredited with the BBB, let alone by the DOJ, or even the NFCC. Take testimonials such as these with a grain of salt, and huge amount of skepticism. 

Message 17 of 25
IsambardPrince
Established Contributor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?


@JoeRockhead wrote:

@Clancaster23 I just want you to be fully aware that legitimate credit counseling agencies that administer true DMPs are generally always non profit organizations. Many of them are approved by the Dept. of Justice. If you go that route I would search the DOJ, or your State Attorney General's office for a list of approved agencies to assist you on that path. 

 

Please also be aware that there are spammers who come here regularly to promote their business of "helping" people get out of debt. They will often tell of incredible success stories which lead vulnerable people down the wrong road. The continued attempted references by another poster regarding their success with their "angel" is one such prime example. That business isn't even accredited with the BBB, let alone by the DOJ, or even the NFCC. Take testimonials such as these with a grain of salt, and huge amount of skepticism. 


Well, it's a case of where "If it was really that easy, everyone would do it."

 

I filed bankruptcy in 2020. If there had actually been someone out there that would have saved my car and convinced the credit card people to back off and let me pay them pennies on the dollar, I would have.

 

It's just a case of "too good to be true". I've reported several of these fake debt settlement scammers on these forums. It's probably people in some other country where nothing will ever happen to them after they cheat Americans and laugh about it.

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Jnbmom
Credit Mentor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

Excellent advice @JoeRockhead 

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Message 19 of 25
Realist
Regular Contributor

Re: Debt Relief Program My Only Option?

Why not take your loans, and debt consolidate them all into one loan?  Your are likely looking closer to personal loan rates, but a 9% for a $28,500 loan, at a seven (7) year term, you're looking at a payment of $458 per month.  Or a savings of $342 per month.  This is all within your control, all legit, and improves your standing.

 

Option 2:

You can use a credit care agency, but what's going to likely occur is that they're going to tell you to stop paying on your debts, and to keep pooling all of your income up to pay off creditors negotiated proposals.  The longer you wait and outlast, the better the offers - until they call you out and say put up or shut up.  It happens.  Meanwhile, they're going to attempt to renegotiate rates from usery level, down to still stupid level.  At least that's what they did in the past, maybe times are better today.  Still saves you some money, but your overall debt still increases due to missed payment or late fees.

 

Meanwhile, they are going to attempt to negotiate with your creditors, at settlement amounts higher than you can acheive yourself.  You will have to determine whether this is good enough for you.  Additionally, you may come across creditors that will not, will never, will not entertain the idea of negotiating with a credit care agency.  They will insist all negotiations are done with the account holder.  This envokes your action, meaning if you have to negotiate your debt directly,  and ask why even have a credit care agency representing you?  You don't have to be so neutrual, and you can pull for more to reach a "settled in full" outcome.  Times will change with the economic climate.  Those that hold jobs are better targets than those that do not.  It's hard to bleed a rock.  If they feel they can tap value with you, they may choose to puruse a court judgement.  Or they may not and accept your settlement proposal.

 

The outcome of this, will place your score in neutral status for seven years.  Should you receive a settled in full mark on your report, which will tank your score, yet you will also find that counterbalance in debt elimination which will elevate your score.  It may end up higher than you initially started, without the debt overhanging any longer.  But, any settled debt is treated as income, so you will report it out as such, and pay taxes on it as such.

 

Option 3:

Bankruptcy should be last on your list.  Reserved for the "oh dang" option.  I think you can find resolve well before this needs to become an option.  If things go very south with Option 2, then maybe.

 

 

 

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