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We recently were denied for a HELOC by our local bank (Florida) and the whole process is a tad confusing. Hoping that if we share our experience, someone here could recommend a next step for us, as we defintely still want a HELOC option. We are not in an ideal scenario from a credit health perspective. We have average to below average credit scores, high DTI ratio, and about $300k in home equity. The reason we were given for denial was that the risk score did not meet requirements while in underwriting. TIA for any feedback.
Details:
Credit scores- for myself and spouse, in the 660 to 699 range.
Income- w2 employment, total $285k base + $70k annually in bonuses
Mortgage- we refinanced our mortgage in Feb.2022, orignated in 2018. Currently owe $440k at 3.375%. Recently appraised at $755k. Monthly payment $3250.
HELOC goal- pay off CC debt. Total $67k. Monthly minimum payments equal approx. $1600 per month.
Random facts:
We are carrying a high amount of car loan debt, and most if it is new credit lines opened in most recent 12 months. A total of $3200 in payments monthly, with a loan total of $195k.
Personal loans- one at $12k, $385 payment monthly with PenFed.
For any fintech that uses AVM, we have a possible problem. Our homes estimated value on Redfin is $657k and Zillow $365k. The Zillow guesstimate has always been off, for atleast the last 5 years, due to the county erroneously filing a land lot purchase of $50k under our address a few years ago. We have tried to get Zillow to correct it based on the appraissals, but no luck. Not sure if it matters.
Student Loan- one loan at $20k, in interest only payment now as student is in school, payment $90 per month.
The next step, and the only one I can think of is a different lender.
Decision on HELOC isn't going to be based on a value of your home, it will be primarily based on your credit report, and right now, it doesn't look good.
Lender is worried about your ability to repay due to very high utilization (which is reflected in your score). If you have any negative info (lates, charge offs, collections), that would make it even worse.
We have no experience with HELOC's and I suppose we thought the decision was more slanted by the amount of equity versus the overall credit health. Dumb assumption. There are not late payments or collections or anything like that on the report. Just high utilization.
Last month I closed on a HELOC and the local bank looked at credit scores, DTI, and income. They also had an appraisal done. Then they tied it all together to see where it would fit in as an 80%, 90% or 100% for value line of credit.
The local bank does not go much outside their geographic area and is strict on documentation. They proved everything and it took about four weeks (processed much like a home loan). Found they do not do many of them in my area (mining) and suspect their conservative approach is due to the cyclic nature of the global mining world.
As a poster up thread said it well and then referenced the need to search out another lender. Glad I was able to use the approach. Not for every one. Also, agree with the up thread poster about your present financial looking challenging to potential lenders.
Old bank adage, go borrow money when you don't need it. For me that has held true.
Thanks for the responses. Does anyone have advice on a lender that meets these circumstances? My refi is now serviced by Mr. Cooper and I see mixed reviews for that company overall. They are hitting me up with lots of HELOC advertising but I am not sure if it's a bad idea or good idea to go with your current mortgage servicer or holder for HELOC.
try penfed
From my experience:
1) Best to use a credit union for HELOC
2) Most banks do not use the 'highest mid score' like they do for mortgages. Ask which scores they use for qualification. Ask the bank which scores they use to qualify for HELOC.
3) Credit score, DTI, and LTV were the driving factors for our HELOC. We did not have any recent derogs on our report, so i'm not sure how recent derogs are considered.
4) Shop around. Now that you have a data point for denial, ask the next potential lender a bunch of questions and explain to them what caused the first denial.
Using your stated income, your DTI doesn't seem too high. Also, maybe consider using only one person's income/debts to qualify....the one with the strongest profile of course.
@dmason2580 wrote:We recently were denied for a HELOC by our local bank (Florida) and the whole process is a tad confusing. Hoping that if we share our experience, someone here could recommend a next step for us, as we defintely still want a HELOC option. We are not in an ideal scenario from a credit health perspective. We have average to below average credit scores, high DTI ratio, and about $300k in home equity. The reason we were given for denial was that the risk score did not meet requirements while in underwriting. TIA for any feedback.
Details:
Credit scores- for myself and spouse, in the 660 to 699 range.
Income- w2 employment, total $285k base + $70k annually in bonuses
Mortgage- we refinanced our mortgage in Feb.2022, orignated in 2018. Currently owe $440k at 3.375%. Recently appraised at $755k. Monthly payment $3250.
HELOC goal- pay off CC debt. Total $67k. Monthly minimum payments equal approx. $1600 per month.
Random facts:
We are carrying a high amount of car loan debt, and most if it is new credit lines opened in most recent 12 months. A total of $3200 in payments monthly, with a loan total of $195k.
Personal loans- one at $12k, $385 payment monthly with PenFed.
For any fintech that uses AVM, we have a possible problem. Our homes estimated value on Redfin is $657k and Zillow $365k. The Zillow guesstimate has always been off, for atleast the last 5 years, due to the county erroneously filing a land lot purchase of $50k under our address a few years ago. We have tried to get Zillow to correct it based on the appraissals, but no luck. Not sure if it matters.
Student Loan- one loan at $20k, in interest only payment now as student is in school, payment $90 per month.
My suggestion would be to go to a good credit union and see whether a HELOC or a refi would give you the best deal.
I would recommend Signature Federal Credit Union they go all the way to 100% LTV for HELOCs and currently have a promo for 1.99%. They've HELOCs for investment properties as well with 75% LTV. Open membership to all and they pull Equifax. You can refi the personal loan and credit card debt using heloc. These two would not count against your heloc. For the same credit pull, see if you can lower your car loan rate as well. This would be the optimum Trifecta.
Good Luck!