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My ultimate goal is to own a ranch in Texas. Land prices in Texas are very expensive and so in today's market it would cost me around 750,000 to a million for the type of ranch I want. My question is how to save such a large sum of money. I do not plan on paying for it all in cash but would really prefer to pay about 50% of cost out of pocket. This means several hundred thousand dollars need to be saved and usable. My question is what vehicles can I use to save that amount of money? I was thinking a Roth IRA and be sure to only withdraw my contributions so I avoid penalties but with the yearly limit at what it is I do not see that working too well. A little background. I am currently 20 and would like to be able to do this by 40. So I have about 20 years with 2 years still left in college. Are there any tax-advantaged acounts that I could use to help achieve this? Any and all help is appreciated.
gig,
i would just find a good equity index fund, like vanguard S&P 500, and make monthly contributions in a regular brokerage ccount. When you withdraw, you will get long term cap gains tax rate that is favorable. In 20 years, who knows what it will be though.
Sometimes the solution is less about small details like tax rates and more about finding a career where you make a lot of money and save much of it. Saving $500k of today's dollars over the course of 20 years will require a lot of disposable income.
thats another discussion. 500k at 3% interest would be 900k in 20 years. Assuming 6% interest you would to save 1,950 a month for 20 years.
@wa3more wrote:thats another discussion. 500k at 3% interest would be 900k in 20 years. Assuming 6% interest you would to save 1,950 a month for 20 years.
If it indeed requires OP to save $1950/month for 20 years growing at 6% a year, OP will still need to add more money to his savings because $500K would be all of his savings. He will need more for emergencies, retirement, etc... And keep in mind the land he wants may cost $1M now, but who know how much it will be in 20 years? If it's in demand as OP hints at, then the price could easily be doubled 20 years from now. Frankly with real estate, people tend to start small and then trade up to larger or start buying more over time.
Tax advantaged retirement accounts are really not a great way to save for anything you will need before retirement. The penalties and restrictions cost too much. Even with The Roth where you can withdraw your principal tax and penalty free, it means you aren't able to take advantage of your money working for you (i.e. compound growth).
I think if if you want to be able to afford a million(s) dollar property, the poster who posted that you need to first ensure a high enough income that would allow you to save for this property and your future as well. And pray for the longest ever bull market in the history of the stock exchange.
tac,
your are right, Assume this monthly 1950 is 10% of OP's income, it would imply an income of about 240k a year.
@wa3more wrote:tac,
your are right, Assume this monthly 1950 is 10% of OP's income, it would imply an income of about 240k a year.
To offer a different perspective.
If you're single and living a moderately minimal lifestyle you don't need anywhere close to 240K a year to get to a million dollar property. 10% is an arbitrary savings line, and 50% is an abnormal downpayment in the modern market.
This is the market that qualified me for a 1.1M house on 130K in income and 250K in assets in 2015 with my credit problems, and they've loosened since then with 10% jumbos now and suddenly we're down to qualifying for a 900k mortgage size, which implies an income of 140K-160K a year 43% DTI currently assuming ~3.92% interest and a lack of other significant debt so it's just you and your mortgage (made SWAG for full PITI, nobody cares about front end anymore as near as I can tell and jumbos can be cheaper than standard conventional too rate wise). It all gets easier if you have a longer timeperiod to save up more than 100K too, and that just doesn't take that long at the income levels we're talking about if that's your focus.
If you have income it's just not as hard as it's made out to be if this is your primary goal. So the point of focusing on income is definitely the right one, but if you have it, million dollar property is obtainable even with people who aren't anywhere close to the 1%, and that pool expands when we're talking dual incomes.
At least that's all how it plays out in the S. Cali housing market.
good points, my comments were to give some context to the numbers.
I'm not sure how land purchase would work from an underwriting perspective. Some areas, and so cal may be one, are seeing bubbles again. Talking to someone in florida who told me it's getting crazy in some areas.
@wa3more wrote:good points, my comments were to give some context to the numbers.
I'm not sure how land purchase would work from an underwriting perspective. Some areas, and so cal may be one, are seeing bubbles again. Talking to someone in florida who told me it's getting crazy in some areas.
I'm actually not certain on a land purchase either, but presumably a ranch style home would be similar though there are special financing offers like USDA which make it even more attractive.
California real estate is flatly stupid. I won't get into reasons as that would slide into a specific state proposition which smacks of politics, Florida is somewhat similar actually though I think that's demographics rather than regulation but there's plenty of money there too likely without enough available real estate so I can see it.
Friend of mine is moving to just outside of Wichita, KS, and a 3K square foot house on 2 acres of land, 2008 construction with all the modern amenities, is a 1:1 price with what I paid for my "cheap" condo in 2015.
Then for giggles I started looking at Kansas City as one example, and I really don't know what I'm going to do when this 1 year contract gets up, but I may go really test the idea that I can work from anywhere as I know my income is virtually the same wherever I'm at within 10%, and I'd be saving roughly the same 10% on income tax, and an equivalent price property while higher property tax most likely, is going to get me 2.5-3x for my cash. To say nothing of needing to use Airbnb for short-term living arrangements near my employer when I am in town to optimize out a ~2.5-3 hour round-trip commute... bleh.
To someone's point on another thread I may indeed be stupid for living here: I've dealt with both heat and snow before, I can do it again, and the Pacific doesn't have any intrinsic hold over me so, well, yeah.
your post brings up the variances in local real estate. I live in long island NY. Most areas are tight and forget NYC or hot areas of brooklyn. Some here with 800 fico and 20% + down can't get financing.
Many are leaving long island to go to the carolinas - get good value like in kansas but great quality of life. I'm out of here as soon as kids go. My son is NYC police man and daughter just finished collegw so i'll be free soon....
This texas land thing i just dont know much about. Is this a big plot of land with a house on it or is there no house ? Not sure what kind of comps there are.