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Everyone has a reason why they’re buried, some stories clearly couldn’t be helped, and some would have certainly been prevented with some discipline. I could write several pages on how it happened, and you would possibly empathize and not judge harshly.
I could explain the extended time off from work to care for a parent who was dying and how I was paying their bills and mine with credit while having no income or I could explain the three funerals I paid for in an 18-month period. Maybe then I would talk about how the covid lockdowns cost me a job for a year while at the same time getting ready for the birth of my first child. Finally, about the slow trickle of work when I got back. As I was doing exactly that, writing all that up, I realized I don’t want to dwell on that right this moment and I should probably stick to what I'm trying to accomplish.
I have the means financially to resolve it, which wasn’t the case the last two years as I treaded water and made only minimum payments while not actually using anymore credit. I did a hard pivot on the type of work I did for making a living two years ago and started a new career, giving me no time to think about anything except a handful of things such as learning a complex trade, going to school full time and then working full time with a new born on top of it. These last two years have been minimum payments only, while I tried not to fail at my job, school and home.
I nailed all three things and doubled my base income and my wife went up 30% herself. I accomplished what I needed to and now have the time to tackle this. I have spent the last three months working on building emergency savings and digging through my finances with a fine tooth comb and organizing as much as I could. I have enough information to now come here and start asking questions while being able to provide relevant information.
I could use insight and perspective from forum regulars. I’ve been participating since 2019 and lurking longer. When I started visiting this forum regularly, I enjoyed experimenting and learning. I learned a lot of important things but there’s so much more I don’t know or I misunderstand. I could use some insight from regulars who have some constructive criticism or validation where I might be trending in the right direction. This is the best community to do this in I think.
I’ve read that when you start a diet, quit smoking or start an exercise regime it’s always helpful to publicize what you’re doing in some fashion. Wheter that's telling family, annoying friends on social media or harassing strangers. It’s a very effective tactic to psychologically bully yourself into sticking with a goal. I’m going to be camping on this thread until it’s done, which is going to be at least two years if things go well, probably three though.
I’ll reserve the next few original posts very quickly so I can split data into sections, if that’s okay with the mods. I’ll edit this original post and the reserved posts as they change over the coming months and years while cleaning up data as we go.
It’s going to take me a few days to build each section appropriately so it can be digested quickly and easily, I’ll start one at a time and work my way through until they’re done. I'll post my credit profile first, but you won't see the debt until I can work on posting my wife's a day or two from now. It's there and spread across four low interest credit cards.
I really appreciate anyone who takes the time to peek at any of it and tell me what they think, I can't stress how grateful I'd be.
The debt is all in my wifes name, giving me the appearance of a solid credit profile.
Total Debt Owed: $75,405
Min Due Monthly: $1,389
Citi - Balance: $7,664 - Min Due: $77
Rate: (0% APR until January, 2026)
Amex - Balance: $4,543 - Min Due: $93
Rate: (0% APR until December, 2025)
BoA - Balance: $10,952 - Min Due: $106
Rate: (0% APR until August, 2026)
NFCU - Balance: $37,118 - Min Due: $785
Rate: (13.24% APR)
NFCU - Balance: $15,128 - Min Due: $328
Rate: (13.9% APR)
FICO Scores (2/15/2025):
Experian FICO 8 - 789
Equifax FICO 8 - 804
TransUnion FICO 8 - 806
Age of Most Recently Opened Account:
9 months
Age of Oldest Account:
6 years 3 months
Average Age of Accounts:
4 years 2 months
Equifax Inquires:
Citi - 1/18/2024
TransUnion Inquires:
US Bank - 8/9/2023
Chase - 2/22/2024
Experian Inquires:
Wells Fargo - 8/9/23
Discover - 8/9/23
Wells Fargo - 10/17/23
Chase - 2/22/24
Embark/Celtic - 4/11/24
USAA - 11/13/24
Miscellaneous:
Individual Income: $92,000
Joint Income: $164,000
TCL: $165,000
Utilization: 1% (AZEO, my $55,500 NFCU Flagship is the one that reports)
Personal DTI: 13.8%
Joint DTI: I don't know yet.
Open Revolving Accounts (12):
CU Visa (Joint) - Open: 3/2019 - Limit: $15,000
NFCU CLoC - Open: 11/2019 - Limit: $3,000
AmexHH - Open: 11/2019 - Limit: $6,000
NFCU Flagship - Open: 11/2019 - Limit: $55,500
Sync Prime CC - Open: 3/2020 - Limit: $10,000
PayPal CB - Open: 3/2020 - Limit: $13,600
PenFed Plat - Open: 3/2022 - Limit: $5,000
Sync Premier - Open: 6/2022 - Limit: $10,000
WF AC - Open: 9/2023 - Limit: $16,400
US Bank Plat - Open: 8/2023 - Limit: $5,400
Discover it - Open: 8/2023 - Limit: $6,000
Citi Diam. Pref. - Open: 1/2024 - Limit: $7,600
Authorized User Revolving Accounts (2):
KeyBank CC - Open: 5/2013 - Limit: $9,500
Cap1 Quicksilver - Open: 6/2017 - Limit: $4,000 (Only reports to Equifax)
Closed revolving accounts (16):
Cap1 (AU) - (4/2018 to 1/2024) - Limit: $2,000 (Only reports to Equifax)
Cap1 - (10/2018 - 3/2020) - Limit: $600
NFCU CC - (5/2019 - 1/2025) - Limit: $7,500
NFCU CLoC - (11/2019 - 4/2022) - Limit: $3,000
Discover - (11/2019 - 3/2021) - Limit: $1,000
Cap1 - (11/2019 - 12/2024) - Credit Limit: $3,500
NFCU CC - (2/2020 - 1/2025) - Limit: $24,000
PNC Bank - (2/2020 - 12/2024) - Limit: $500
USAA - (2/2020 - 12/2024) - Limit: $2,000
USAA - (2/2020 - 12/2024) - Limit: $2,100
Citizens Bank - (3/2020 - 12/2024) - Limit: $500
Capital One - (3/2020 - 12/2024) - Limit: $300
BofA - (12/2021 - 12/2024) - Limit: $1,500
Citi - (2/2022 - 11/2023) - Limit: $1,500
Citi - (3/2022 - 10/2023) - Limit: $1,000
CB/Embark - (4/2024 - 12/2024) - Limit: $2,500
Open Installment Loan (1):
Auto Loan: $2,096/$18,047 (11.6%)
Opened 3/2019 - Last payment is 8/24/2025
Closed Installment Loan (1):
NFCU Pledge Loan: $0/$3,001
Opened 3/2019 - Closed 12/2023
I can’t be certain I didn’t miss something crucial while working on understanding all the things going on in my finances these last two months, there’s still work to be done before I can be confident in a plan. The brunt of my first two months has been resolving the most impactful things and then easiest things first. I tried to focus on the things that had the most impact or the things I could do the quickest. Essentially a snowball method but for this work that needs done instead of the structure of how you pay down debt.
I’m at a stage where I am starting to see less quick and efficient things to resolve. Most of everything else that needs to be done will take time and consistent grinding.
I’m going to do a rough draft of my ideal plan but bear in mind I need at least two months to see in/out flow of money to accurately know what’s feasible or not. I only just got auto-pay set on everything and then making sure every expense goes through a single source. Now making it possible to track trending spending habits better. To minimize mistakes and workload, I made certain everything is set to autopay. I also had a bad habit of manually paying all my bills way ahead of their due date. I didn’t see the issue until just a week ago, but it’s making it very difficult to get an accurate idea of the flow of expenses when I pay some things ahead, and others I don’t pay ahead.
As I only just finalized centralizing and organizing all the above, I won’t see what I’d call a “traditional” month until March is out. I’ll adjust anything that I can, then hopefully April will give me a really strong sense of the in/out flow.
These are the most important numbers below for now that I am formulating a plan around, I'll circle back and fix them as I make more progress.
I underestimated my net income, over estimated my minimum credit card payments due and over estimated my total montly expenses. These numbers will change when I get a better sense of what's real next month and the month after.
Net Income: $9,100
Min. CC Payments Due: $1,400 ($625 is interest, only $775 is towards principle)
Total Monthly Expenses: $6,100
What’s Left: $3,000
Citi - Balance: $7,664 - Minimum Payment: $77 Rate: (0% APR until January, 2026)
Amex - Balance: $4,543 - Minimum Payment: $93 Rate: (0% APR until December, 2025)
BoA - Balance: $10,952 - Minimum Payment: $106 Rate: (0% APR until August, 2026)
NFCU - Balance: $37,118 - Minimum Payment: $785 (416) Rate: (13.24% APR)
NFCU - Balance: $15,128 - Minimum Payment: $328 (200) Rate: (13.9% APR)
I'll wrap up and polish my information later.
For now, I wanted to get the bare minimum data at the very least. I'll do more of this later
step 1 is to go through your budget again and make sure your expenses are actual expenses and not just stuff you're buying because you have money. if you don't need it to breath or live, you cut it from the budget.
People around you should look at you just a little bit crazy because the only way you get out from under $75,000 in debt is to do it fanatically.
step 2 is to make sure whoever ran up $75,000 in debt is physically incapable of doing that again. some people aren't credit card people. when you run up $75k in balances, you're not credit card people. if you think it would help, both of you switch to your debit cards.
step 3 is to pick a way to go after the debts, snowball or avalanche
I would probably suggest snowball (makes you feel better, isn't the mathmatically best option), so I'll just describe that here.
You have about ~$4k per month you can put towards this, right?
So after minimums, let's just say $2500 per month.
Month 1: pay minimums, put it all into Amex.
Month 2: pay minimums put it all into Amex. Amex is now paid off, move to the next card.
Month 3: pay minimums, put it all into Citi.
Month 4: pay minimums, put it all into citi
Month 5: pay minimums, put it all into Citi. Citi is now paid off, move to the next card.
...
Month 10: pay miniumums, put it all into BoA. BoA is now paid off, move to the nfcu balances.
you can knock out three giant balances in under a year and now you're only left with two balances to go. not math smart, but really sastisifying to see and if it helps, it's worth the cost.
if you want to move balances to 0% apr cards and do something similar or just work on the avalanch method, you can do that, you just need to write the plan out.
Step 4: Sanity check the plan/math with a BK lawyer to see what your options are because $75k of debt is a ton, but given it's at 13% and not 30%? payoff feels a lot more possible
Oh f', I have to type this up a second time lol. My original reply didn't send properly and I have to start from scratch. It took me two hours! Maybe I'll do better?
@GZG wrote:step 1 is to go through your budget again and make sure your expenses are actual expenses and not just stuff you're buying because you have money. if you don't need it to breath or live, you cut it from the budget.
The first pass was to see what was being spent, how it was being paid for and then either cutting out of the monthly expenses or having it charged to one specific place I decided upon so all charges were going through a single place.
The second pass was to double check that I didn't miss anything and that every was really necessary and that it was definitely going through a single source when it was being charged, that way I could then more easily and quickly scrutinize where money is being spent because the transactions are all in one place.
This third pass will give me the least amount of results versus the first two. I will gather data on my results from the first two passes and figure out how to make the groceries, household expenses and other genuinely necessary things leaner.
@GZG wrote:People around you should look at you just a little bit crazy because the only way you get out from under $75,000 in debt is to do it fanatically.
We're there. I just had to argue my case on why I wasn't being as present and communicating as well in couples counseling. The wife was hurt I was on my phone or my desktop all the time and not communicating as much.
I told her in November what I was going to work on, then again in December. But go so invested I stopped communicating what and why I was doing things, all she saw was me on my phone or computer.
Once I whipped out 10 word .docs on a swath of different topics and notes (yes, really, 10) and she saw how much work was being done, she understood and has been very supportive.
I've done better at communicating what I'm doing and why and she's been very supportive.
@GZG wrote:step 2 is to make sure whoever ran up $75,000 in debt is physically incapable of doing that again. some people aren't credit card people. when you run up $75k in balances, you're not credit card people. if you think it would help, both of you switch to your debit cards.
I'll have to talk more in depth about this another time, because my original post that got wiped out was a good and in depth response and it made me feel better to just type it out and share.
The gist of it was, life genuinely got in the way and only picked up this last year.
The only thing that went on credit these last two years, and I truly mean the only thing, was for continued schooling and only after I wiped out emergency savings first.
I had to choose between sinking the savings into paying down debt or transition into a more stable career by starting an apprenticeship and school. It was a terrifying and enormous gamble to do that, but two years ago our total household net income was around 105k with 60k in debt and 15k in savings. Even if I sunk that 15k into paying down some of the debt, our income and new expenses with a new born that needed expensive daycare and had expensive medical bills on top of that didn't support us paying down any of the debt, we'd still only pay the minimums.
Two years ago we were at 60k and now we're at 75k. The only thing that went on credit was school. It was an enormous gamble, but a calculated one that paid off. After my apprenticship and once I was licensed as an Engineer in my state, I took a new job last year. Six months ago I scored an enormous raise, at least to me. My wife has done the same this last year, two large raises.
Last year our total income was about 105k, now a year later it's 164k.
I did a better job talking about where the original 60k came from over several years and where the last 15k came from these last two years. I'll have to touch on it again another time, but I only have 15m to finish this post.
I ended my original response by saying there's no one, thank god, that I have to box out of juggling the household finances and I could be wrong, but I truly believe we'll do well knocking this down and never having unsecured revolving debt at this quanity again.
step 3 is to pick a way to go after the debts, snowball or avalanche
I decided on the avalanche method early on.
23k is spread out on the three smaller balances at 0% and those weren't free, they cost me BT fees. It's best I utilize all the time they'll give me and pay down the higher rates that are at 14%. Between those two balances, I'm losing about $625 a month on interest where only $775 is towards principle.
Step 4: Sanity check the plan/math with a BK lawyer to see what your options are because $75k of debt is a ton, but given it's at 13% and not 30%? payoff feels a lot more possible
That's great advice, originally two years ago that was going to have to happen. But I decided to try and get a more stable, in demand and higher paying career. It paid off, so I backed off of that.
I have an enormous amount of data gathered over the last two months and the in/out flow is better managed to where it's easy to track, I just need to spend the next two months polishing everything up and coming up with final plan. I have a very fleshed out rough plan, but before I talk to a BK lawyer I want all my ducks in a row.
I wasn't going to do that, but you make a wise suggestion. It can't hurt and it would only help.
But since we're very capable of paying down 4k a month now on priciple, not just interest, I doubt that is an option anymore like it was two years ago.
I need to be certain about all that and will talk to a lawyer and see what a professional thinks, that's good advice.
Thank you @GZG, I appreciate your time and thoughtful reply.
I'll circle back later and elaborate on some important things I couldn't do since I lost my original post.
@omgitsMatt wrote:I underestimated my net income, over estimated my minimum credit card payments due and over estimated my total montly expenses. These numbers will change when I get a better sense of what's real next month and the month after.
Net Income: $9,100
Min. CC Payments Due: $1,400 ($625 is interest, only $775 is towards principle)
Total Monthly Expenses: $6,100
What’s Left: $3,000
Citi - Balance: $7,664 - Minimum Payment: $77 Rate: (0% APR until January, 2026)
Amex - Balance: $4,543 - Minimum Payment: $93 Rate: (0% APR until December, 2025)
BoA - Balance: $10,952 - Minimum Payment: $106 Rate: (0% APR until August, 2026)
NFCU - Balance: $37,118 - Minimum Payment: $785 (416) Rate: (13.24% APR)
NFCU - Balance: $15,128 - Minimum Payment: $328 (200) Rate: (13.9% APR)
@GZG wrote:you just need to write the plan out
First stage of plan:
1.) Open a checking & savings account with Wells Fargo. (DONE)
2.) Freeze the $16,400 Wells Fargo Active Cash and don't use it for six months. (DONE)
3.) Have the household net income direct deposited into the Wells Fargo checking account.
4.) I need to decide on a time frame to apply for the Wells Fargo “Reflect” credit card.
5.) When I get approved, I’ll reallocate the credit limit from the “Active Cash” to the “Reflect”.
Second stage of plan:
6.) Put all projected expenses feasible on the NFCU Flagship and keep it paid every day. This is to be treated like a debit card, if it’s used for anything cash needs to be moved to cover it immediately. (DONE)
7.) I need to reallocate the credit limits of the NFCU Platinum & NFCU cashRewards to the NFCU Flagship. (DONE)
7.) I need to decide when to apply for the Platinum with NFCU.
9.) Once approved, I need to try to reallocate the credit limit from the Flagship to the Platinum.
10.) Calculate the limits of the WF “Reflect” & NFCU “Platinum”, then choose how to allocate what amounts each card will cary.
11.) Pay it down!
@omgitsMatt wrote:
@omgitsMatt wrote:I underestimated my net income, over estimated my minimum credit card payments due and over estimated my total montly expenses. These numbers will change when I get a better sense of what's real next month and the month after.
Net Income: $9,100
Min. CC Payments Due: $1,400 ($625 is interest, only $775 is towards principle)
Total Monthly Expenses: $6,100
What’s Left: $3,000
Citi - Balance: $7,664 - Minimum Payment: $77 Rate: (0% APR until January, 2026)
Amex - Balance: $4,543 - Minimum Payment: $93 Rate: (0% APR until December, 2025)
BoA - Balance: $10,952 - Minimum Payment: $106 Rate: (0% APR until August, 2026)
NFCU - Balance: $37,118 - Minimum Payment: $785 (416) Rate: (13.24% APR)
NFCU - Balance: $15,128 - Minimum Payment: $328 (200) Rate: (13.9% APR)
@GZG wrote:you just need to write the plan out
11.) Pay it down!
- I want three months of solid savings before starting to pay beyond minimum payments, I should have that in April.
- That'll be six months of savings if only _one_ of us is out of work, but three if both of us are out of work for some horrible reason. The savings are for emergencies such as car troubles, surprise doctor bills or other short term surprises not budgeted for.
- By August I should have the savings acquired and would have also paid down $12,000.
- I'll have 12 months to zero out the "Platinum" balance. It will get done.
- I'll then pivot to the "Reflect" which will have 9 months left at 0% when Navy is done.
- I'll dwell on the pace and progress as things progress then reevaluate and come up with a plan for what'll I'll do with whatever is left when the "Reflect" promo ends. If there’s anything left!
- If my estimate of being able to pay $3k a month was close or even under, I'll have paid down $36,000 when the NFCU card ends it's promo, then another $27,000 just as the Reflect is ending.
- I really underestimated the $3,000, I'm hoping it's more and I have to fix my estimates in two months.
- June 1, 2027 the balance should be $0 and we should have about $15,000 in emergency savings.
I forgot to take into account that the minimum payments include a portion of principle too, so I'd be paying $3,800 a month towards debt, not $3,000.
I'll fix my estimates later.
@omgitsMatt wrote:
I forgot to take into account that the minimum payments include a portion of principle too, so I'd be paying $3,800 a month towards debt, not $3,000.
I'll fix my estimates later.
Am I doing my math right?
If I'm paying $775 a month towards principle, for six months, I'd have lowered my balance by $4,650 by August?
Then if if I paid $3,000 a month starting next month, for five months, I'd have paid down an additional $15,000.
Meaning I paid down $19,650 of the balance in six months? Is that right, am I doing this correctly?
Hold up, all this debt is in your wife's name for your debt, you make significantly more than her, yet she didn't know you are desperate to pay it off? Is she aware of the dire situation? Really need to be a team with this and take your debt back ASAP. What are her scores at?