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Hi! I wanted to post some info about a student loan that I took out years and years ago... when I was slightly less smarter. I need help figuring out if the principal they claim is actually correct. I took out the loan in 2005 through Loan to Learn (ugh) and after making monthly payments right away for a bit, I told them that due to losing a job, I needed help. They refused, basically it was a lot of back and forth and eventually a law office said they would file for judgement. Prior to them filing, I went back and forth, they falsely claimed they had a judgement, they wouldn't take what I offered to pay monthly, etc.,) I hired a lawyer and before it went to court, we came to an agreement:
(I will write it word for word in the signed letter)
"I am confirming my client's agreement to accept your offer, that you in your individual capacity agree to be liable and pay the sum of $25,031.35 (representing outstanding principal of $15, 141.84, plus accrued interest of $5,911.95 through 02/28/12, late charges of $863.19, a settlement of the attorney's fees in the amount of $3,028.37 and court costs of $86.00) in the above referenced mtter, plus variable interest at the current rate of 11.15% per annum from 02/28/12 until paid on the outstanding princible balance due."
They said they would apply to accrued interest, interest and principal, and last to late fees/att. fees).
So, I paid $3000 at the start of this agreement. Then $300 a month (never missed a month) since 06/15/13.
I would occasionally ask for a statement balance to see what I have left and they would half explain, but ALWAYS said the 11.15%. (the rate has never changed, and I have never been notified of such.)
I have a statement from 6/1/16 (note, over two years ago) that says:
Open Interest: $2,299.89 (this number has stayed the exact same since we made this agreement)
Charges Interest: $12,442.64
Total payments so far applied to that $13,800
with a balance of $755.91 in interest.
I finally got another claim total report two weeks ago that says:
Total payments towards interest is $17,885.03 with a $0.00 balance
and now $3,714.97 has gone towards the P with a remaining Principal of $11,426.87
It shows that it is still accruing daily interest and the total balance is now $15,463.77 as of 8/10/18
So, I have paid a total of $21,600, it doesn't seem right that I somehow now still owe over $15k, when the original payments of $25,031.35 covered the principal, accrued interest, late charges, court fee, and attorneys fees. From what I understand, the accrued interest should have been paid off fairly quickly and the principal should have been going down a lot sooner, hence less daily accrued interest.
I asked them to look into it two weeks ago and the lady that has taken my payments every month for the last 5 years keeps telling me that she needs more time to calculate it all. Do any of you have a way for me to break this down or can you suggest a calculator to use? I understand that if they had wanted me to prepay all of the interest upfront (including the unearned), they would have had to have told me, and they should not have been adding new interest daily.
I am hoping someone out there likes puzzles . Thank you!
So I ran your numbers through a few calculators, and I'm having trouble getting towhat they say you owe. I'm either showing about 14k outstanding or 22k outstanding depending upon how I read the situation. Eitherway 15k is a reasonable amount to owe at this time.
At the going rate you will pay for almost 6 more years and pay another 5000 in interest. Or if you pay 400 a month, you would pay it off in 4 years and save yourself almost 2000 in interest. If you pay 500 a month it would be paid off in 3 years and save about 2600 in interest.
Now back to your original question. I could not model this repayment plan. I did not spend a lot of time doing so, and I'm missing a few details that might make my model more accurate, but It looks about right. This doesn't mean it is correct though, and if you don't mind some back/forth tomorrow, I might be able to make a better model/show you how to model it.
I really appreciate you taking the time to read that and run some rough calcs. That is what I find very frustrating is that I can't replicate it at all. Even when I try to calculate it against my favor in every way possible... I have screen shots of the agreement and "claim total reports" but I can't enter them here. (Unless I am missing something)
So, they added $11,973.08 in interest on top of the already accounted for $5,911.95 up until 2/28/12.
There are 2,355 days from 2/28/12 until 8/10/18. If I had made ZERO payments and interest accrued that many days, the total interest would be $10,880.10, which is still less than the almost $12k they added.
I am confused what "open" means.
It is essentially layed out like this: This was the claim total report on 10/04/13 (the agreement took place 6/15/13)
Open Charges Payments Adjustments Total
Principal . 15,141.84 0.00 0.00 0.00 15,141.84
Interest . 2,299.89 8,002.15 -4,400.00 -186.62 5,715.42
Fees. 0.00 4,833.84 0.00 -1,805.47 3,028.37
Costs 0.00 86.00 0.00 0.00 86.00
Other 0.00 0.00 0.00 863.19 863.19
Total 17,441.73 12,921.99 -4,400.00 -1,128.90 24,834.82
New Interest: 0.00
Balance with New Int: 24,834.82
This shows no new interest, but now they do now. The most current claim (8/10/18) does reflect the daily interest between the last payment to the day the total was printed.
Open Charges Payments Adjustments Total
Principal . 15,141.84 0.00 -3714.97 0.00 11,426.87
Interest . 2,299.89 15,771.76 -17,885.03 -186.62 0.00
Fees. 0.00 4,833.84 0.00 -1,805.47 3,028.37
Costs 0.00 86.00 0.00 0.00 86.00
Other 0.00 0.00 0.00 863.19 863.19
Total 17,441.73 20,691.60 -21,600.00 -1,128.90 15,404.43
New Interest: 59.34
Balance with New Int: 15,463.77
ok, so it looks like that "open" interest charge is actually the interest from 2/28/12 til 6/15/13, when the agreement was signed. (their number is a little higher)
I think they messed up and added that amount into the the open column and the charges column.. because in the 111 days between June 15 and 10/4, I would have only accrued new interest of ~$500, not $2k. Thoughts?
@Anonymous wrote:(I will write it word for word in the signed letter)
"I am confirming my client's agreement to accept your offer, that you in your individual capacity agree to be liable and pay the sum of $25,031.35 (representing outstanding principal of $15, 141.84, plus accrued interest of $5,911.95 through 02/28/12, late charges of $863.19, a settlement of the attorney's fees in the amount of $3,028.37 and court costs of $86.00) in the above referenced mtter, plus variable interest at the current rate of 11.15% per annum from 02/28/12 until paid on the outstanding princible balance due."
They said they would apply to accrued interest, interest and principal, and last to late fees/att. fees).
So, I paid $3000 at the start of this agreement. Then $300 a month (never missed a month) since 06/15/13.
When did you pay the $3000, and when did you start paying the $300 a month. What number of months did you miss?
A lot of time between 2/28/12 and 6/15/13.
I am hoping someone out there likes puzzles. Thank you!
Would not mind running the numbers but need some date & payment info !
@Kforce wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:(I will write it word for word in the signed letter)
"I am confirming my client's agreement to accept your offer, that you in your individual capacity agree to be liable and pay the sum of $25,031.35 (representing outstanding principal of $15, 141.84, plus accrued interest of $5,911.95 through 02/28/12, late charges of $863.19, a settlement of the attorney's fees in the amount of $3,028.37 and court costs of $86.00) in the above referenced mtter, plus variable interest at the current rate of 11.15% per annum from 02/28/12 until paid on the outstanding princible balance due."
They said they would apply to accrued interest, interest and principal, and last to late fees/att. fees).
So, I paid $3000 at the start of this agreement. Then $300 a month (never missed a month) since 06/15/13.
When did you pay the $3000, and when did you start paying the $300 a month. What number of months did you miss?
A lot of time between 2/28/12 and 6/15/13.
I am hoping someone out there likes puzzles. Thank you!
Would not mind running the numbers but need some date & payment info !
Exact payment dates would also help out, although might not make a difference.
I believe you have saved about 4,000 as of 8/2018
The numbers don't make sense at 11.15 %.
You are at less than 10%, no mater how I calculate it.
The 9.4% amortization table comes close but is still only approx depending on dates.
I believe you are on the money savings side of things !!
Balance start of 2/28/2012 = 25,031.35
Payment of 3,000 same day ( just a guess )
New Balance 2/28/12 after payment = 22,031.35
Calculate the daily interest for balance with no payments
(22,031.35 * 0.1115)/365 = Day Interest = $6.73 per day
Days between (2/28/2012 and 06/15/2013) = 459
(459 * 6.73) = 3089.07 Interest
New balance as of 6/15/2013 @ 11.15% = (22,031.35+3089.07) = 25.120.42
** New using the 2999.xx = 22031+2300 = 24,331
Loan: 25120.420
Rate: 11.150 %
Pmt : 300.000
Payment Principal Interest Balance yyyy/mm #
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300.00 66.59 233.41 25053.83 2013 6 1
300.00 67.21 232.79 24986.62 2013 7 2
300.00 67.83 232.17 24918.79 2013 8 3
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300.00 110.74 189.26 20257.58 2018 1 56
300.00 111.77 188.23 20145.81 2018 2 57
300.00 112.81 187.19 20033.00 2018 3 58
300.00 113.86 186.14 19919.14 2018 4 59
300.00 114.92 185.08 19804.22 2018 5 60
300.00 115.99 184.01 19688.23 2018 6 61
300.00 117.06 182.94 19571.17 2018 7 62
300.00 118.15 181.85 19453.02 2018 8 63 ***
~~~
300.00 292.46 7.54 518.52 2026 10 161
300.00 295.18 4.82 223.34 2026 11 162
225.42 223.34 2.08 0.00 2026 12 163
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Total Interest Years
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48825.42 23705.00 13.58
At 9.4 % interest it comes close to your numbers.
Loan: 24331.000
Rate: 9.400 %
Pmt : 300.000
Payment Principal Interest Balance yyyy/mm #
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300.00 109.41 190.59 24221.59 2013 6 1
300.00 110.26 189.74 24111.33 2013 7 2
300.00 111.13 188.87 24000.20 2013 8 3
~~~
300.00 168.05 131.95 16677.25 2018 1 56
300.00 169.36 130.64 16507.89 2018 2 57
300.00 170.69 129.31 16337.20 2018 3 58
300.00 172.03 127.97 16165.17 2018 4 59
300.00 173.37 126.63 15991.80 2018 5 60
300.00 174.73 125.27 15817.07 2018 6 61
300.00 176.10 123.90 15640.97 2018 7 62
300.00 177.48 122.52 15463.49 2018 8 63 ***
300.00 178.87 121.13 15284.62 2018 9 64
300.00 180.27 119.73 15104.35 2018 10 65
~~~
300.00 294.72 5.28 378.93 2024 1 128
300.00 297.03 2.97 81.90 2024 2 129
82.54 81.90 0.64 0.00 2024 3 130
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Total Interest Years
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38782.54 14451.54 10.83
The interest is daily on the principal only, not the entire balance. They stressed over and over it was $4.62 a day until the principal started going down.
11.15/100 = .115/365 = .000305(15,141) = $4.62/day in interest.
Total Interest on your first statement is approx 10,300.
To get that number you were charged interest on the full $25,031 @ 11.15% for the
full 459 days + previous interest of 5,912 + interest portion of the first 4-5 months of payments
((25031*0.1115)/365) = 7.65/day. { 5912+(7.65*459)+(111*7.65)= 10,273 },
real close to the 10,300 in the statement. You cannot get close with 4.62 per day.
I believe interest was applied to the whole thing !
Now with two statements, between two dates looking at the bottom line balance.
You were paying about 8.25% interest in relation to real balance numbers.
The loan might be calculated at 11.15 from a single line item, however the
end result is the same. You are paying < 9%, calculated as a conventional loan.
OP, I tried to make sense of all the information you gave us and entered the numbers into a spreadsheet:
1) If one starts with the numbers of 10/4/13, and assumes $300 monthly payments and an 11.15% interest rate (paid only on the principal balance) then the numbers my spreadsheet derives for 6/1/16 and 8/10/18 are pretty close to the numbers you posted for those dates. (But since I do not know the exact payment dates, I was not able to match the numbers exactly.)
This confirms the 11.15% APR and that you are only paying interest on the principal balance.
2) I tried hard, but I could not come up with any explantion for the numbers on 10/4/13. In fact, those numbers make no sense to me and I think that total balance on10/4/13 should be around $22800 and not $24834.82.
So I suggest to ask your lender to provide a detailed explanation for the report of 10/4/13.