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Hi, I got myself into a pickle. Obviously I got myself into a bad financial mess (I moved and got in over my head in credit card debt and some high-interest loans). I'm now paying a lot less in rent, but due to the high-interest loans, I was really struggling to pay bills. I made a probably dumb decision to use National Debt Relief to try to get out of debt (and free up more money to pay down the other debt).
It's now been a little over 6 months. I'm still paying off the loans (and should be done with those in July or August if not sooner). I'm paying $400+ to NDR monthly, and they've gotten some settlements, but of course I am paying them 25% on top of that, of course, potential taxes.
I just ran my credit report and all of the credit cards are now showing as charged off. I am aware that this may or may not mean they stop reporting as late payments. But in your opinion, once I get the loans paid off - which will free up about $1300-1400 a month (!!!) - should I cancel the NDR program and try contacting each creditor to settle it myself?
My end goal is to buy a house. My credit score is in the low 500s right now. I may be able to work with a mortgage program like NACA or USDA that's a little more lenient, but I know I'll have to have at least a year of no late payments.
Any advice is welcome! Thanks!
Hello and welcome.
I think for us to help point you in the right direction, we would need bit more details about the accounts you are trying to pay off as well as some of the terms of NDR (some of us might be familiar with them).
(Ex. Loan 1: $5,000 at APR% for XX months and what is the minimum payment.
-Credit Card 1: Balance $2000, Credit limit $2000, APR%, minimum payments)
Right now we know you are to dig yourself out of the hole, but without some details, we wouldn't know how to advise.
I called one of those debt relief programs once. The plan they instructed me they had, would cause all my cards and debts to a.) not be paid for a long time until after they were charged off, and b.) would damage my score even more than it already was. Learning of this, I simply declined their offer and went another route. It seems counterintuitive in my opinion to use any of those debt relief companies. Their model is to let your score tank, while they are collecting money from you, and then get around to paying on the debts you owe basically when they feel good and ready, or so I gathered. I hope it all works out for you. Also, any of those "repair your credit" companies, all they do are things you can do entirely yourself. They will simply dispute debts over and over again. Getyour720 was one I tried, regrettably, when I was desperate about 10 years ago. I am not sure if they're still around, but they ended up paying me back what I paid them for their "repair" which was moot and pointless.
@hello wrote:Hi, I got myself into a pickle. Obviously I got myself into a bad financial mess (I moved and got in over my head in credit card debt and some high-interest loans). I'm now paying a lot less in rent, but due to the high-interest loans, I was really struggling to pay bills. I made a probably dumb decision to use National Debt Relief to try to get out of debt (and free up more money to pay down the other debt).
It's now been a little over 6 months. I'm still paying off the loans (and should be done with those in July or August if not sooner). I'm paying $400+ to NDR monthly, and they've gotten some settlements, but of course I am paying them 25% on top of that, of course, potential taxes.
I just ran my credit report and all of the credit cards are now showing as charged off. I am aware that this may or may not mean they stop reporting as late payments. But in your opinion, once I get the loans paid off - which will free up about $1300-1400 a month (!!!) - should I cancel the NDR program and try contacting each creditor to settle it myself?
My end goal is to buy a house. My credit score is in the low 500s right now. I may be able to work with a mortgage program like NACA or USDA that's a little more lenient, but I know I'll have to have at least a year of no late payments.
Any advice is welcome! Thanks!
NDR is charging you money for something you could be doing yourself for free. In addition, they will be of no help to you if one or more of your lenders decides to sue you for the debt.
Being the accounts are now charged off they won't report any further late payments since the charged off status means they've now also closed the account, deemed the debt to be a loss on their ledgers, and unlikely to be collected. It doesn't mean the debt goes away, or is forgiven.
Until the accounts are paid to zero they can continue to report the charged off status every month along with the remaining balance. Once they're paid to zero (either in full, or settled for less) they'll update the reporting to reflect a zero balance and the monthly CO reporting will stop.
I'd recommend dropping NDR and continue to work with your lenders (including asking them to reduce interest rates) to reach settlement agreements/payment plans and continue paying what you can towards the debts which should help to prevent them placing the accounts will collection agencies, or pursuing legal action. As you get debts paid off (loans, etc) use the money you were paying towards those debts to pay down the remaining debts until they're all gone.
It sounds like you’re in a better financial position now that your rent is lower, and you’re on track to free up a lot of cash once those loans are paid off. That’s great because having money on hand is key to getting out of debt—whether through NDR or by negotiating settlements yourself.
A few things to consider:
The charge-off status means six months have passed, and creditors have officially written off the debt. That’s just an accounting move—it doesn’t mean you don’t owe the money. But it does mean creditors might be more open to settling now.
Debt settlement relies on three things: proving hardship, getting the lender to negotiate, and having funds available to pay. If you’ll have $1,300-$1,400 freed up soon, you might have more flexibility in handling settlements on your own.
NDR charges a fee (typically 15-25%), and if they’ve already secured settlements, backing out now might not be simple. If they haven’t made much progress, it’s fair to ask whether you’re better off negotiating yourself.
The biggest red flag here is that you don’t seem to know exactly what’s happening with NDR. Have they explained their progress? Do you know which accounts they’ve settled or what they’re working on? They can’t promise results, but they should be giving you realistic expectations.
If you’re not getting clear answers and you expect to have enough cash for settlements soon, it might be worth looking into handling them yourself. Just make sure you get everything in writing before making any payments.
"I think for us to help point you in the right direction, we would need bit more details about the accounts you are trying to pay off as well as some of the terms of NDR (some of us might be familiar with them)."
Fair point! I do believe others have given some good advice, but to be thorough, I'm listing what is on my report, as well as what the NDR status is. What I'm going to do is work on getting those high-interest loans paid off ASAP. Once they are done, I will cancel NDR's service. I am pretty sure that I'll end up owing them their fees and will need to be sure my account is funded enough to pay off the settlements they've done. That's fine by me, as I can then start contacting the rest of the creditors and try working it out myself.
A huge thank you to everyone for your help!! I'm so grateful to have a place to get help without judgment!
I currently pay $400 a month to my NDR account, plus any additional for settlements that were obtained before funding was available ($62/month for the Upstart settlement, $357 lump sum for the Merrick settlement). So really, once I get these loans paid off and cancel/pay off NDR, that will be closer to $1700 a month that I can apply to debt.
Comenity/IKEAP, Charge Off, $2203, NDR Settlement/Paid in full ($794 to creditor, $551 to NDR)
Merrick, Charge Off, $1424, NDR Settlement/Paid in full ($357 to creditor, $256 to NDR)
Upstart, Charge Off, $1236, NDR Settlement/Paid in full ($495 to creditor, $290 to NDR)
Credit One, Charge Off, $1659, NDR Settlement/In Process ($830 settlement [$327 paid so far], $396 NDR fees)
PRA (Credit One), Collection, $1190, NDR Settlement/In Process ($576 settlement [$90 paid so far], $287 NDR fees)
Capital One, Charge Off, $676
Capital One, Charge Off, $730
Comenity/IKEAV, Charge Off, $1569
Comenity/Ulta, Charge Off, $640
Discover, Charge Off, $1752
Fingerhut Fetti, Charge Off, $2033
Sync/CareCred, Charge Off, $910
Sync/eBay, Charge Off, $2432
Capital One, Charge Off, $1040
Personify, Charge Off, $1050
Sync/Amazon, Charge Off, $714
Sync/PayPalC, Charge Off, $728
Sync/PayPalMC, Charge Off, $969
ART (Parkwest Hospital), Collection, $1071
JM&C (Astound), Collection, $192
Student Loans, Current, $11521
Bridgecrest, Repo, $7132
You have a lot going on, and with all those accounts in a Charge-Off status, I’m not sure NDR is offering anything you can’t handle yourself, which would also save you some fees. However, you should carefully review the fine print of your agreement to see if there’s any cancellation fee.
Now, about your credit report situation—be honest with yourself. In your first post, you mentioned, “Obviously I got myself into a bad financial mess (I moved and got in over my head with credit card debt and high-interest loans),” but there are 20 accounts listed in bad standing. It’s unlikely that they all stem from just one move. It’s possible that you were already stretched thin before the move, and the added expenses pushed you over the edge.
Focusing on high-interest loans is probably the best strategy to stop the financial hemorrhaging—also known as the "Debt Avalanche." Paying these off first should improve your financial situation faster than the "Debt Snowball" method would.
As you start paying off your accounts and creditors begin reaching out via mail, you should try to negotiate a "Pay for Delete" agreement. This means that once you pay or settle an account, the creditor agrees to delete it from your credit profile.
I understand the desire to buy a house, but I think it would be better to shift that to a long-term goal. For now, focus on your short-term goal of getting financially fit and smart. Good luck, and hang in there—you’ve got this!