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GW Success Timing?

In the last week I have sent out about 25 GW letters requesting the deletion of late payments on various accounts. Now I'm playing the waiting game and I'm curious when other success stories have seen the deletions. I know some people have never received a response at all, but the late was still deleted. So generally, if successful, is there a general timeframe of when the deletion will probably happen? Is it possible to see something within days, weeks, months, etc? Basically, should I stop obsessively checking my credit report every day? haha Smiley Happy

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I've actually had pretty good success with GWs, but I've not actually sent out a GW letter - I've done everything so far through email. Out of 5 accounts that I attempted to GW, I got positive responses on 3 of them (two deletions, one modification) and a verbal agreement to delete on a 4th after a phone call follow-up, though I'm not holding my breath on that one. I even had a VP's office call me back on one of the deletions.

 

Part of the reason I decided to go the email route was because I had already applied for a loan and needed to clean my credit quickly - I didn't have time to mail out letters and wait. the second reason is I feel that corporate america uses email for nearly everything, so it couldn't hurt to try. The trick is trying to find contact information for the people you're looking to persuade, which can often be the equivalent of an FBI manhunt.

 

 

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Thanks for the input! I generalized in my original post, but actually, I've been sending out both physical letters and lots of emails too. I figured I'll play their game and send letters to the traditional "credit reporting" or "credit disputes" addresses with physical letters, but I have also been a private detective and found email addresses for random executives on the internet and sent emails that way too. I've gotten a few email responses saying "how did you get my email. I'm the wrong person, but I'll pass your request along" and I'm hoping something will come of those.

 

For the success you had, after they confirmed they would delete (or after you sent the original email), how quickly was the negative removed from your report?

 

Also, can you tell me more about the strategy you used for sending the emails? Did you try to find President and VP email addresses? Then did you just email with the GW letter in the body of the email?

 

Thanks for your help and feedback!

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That's great!

 

To shed a little more light on my tactics with my GW letters, this is how I went about it:

 

With one CA, AFNI, I sent an email to a middle manager that I had found on the BBB website. They responded within a couple of hours and said they'd delete. The next day, EQ reported it gone and EX/TU reported about 2 days later. They also included a deletion letter in their email response.

 

With Discover Card, I found am email address belonging to their VP of card services and the next day I got a call from a lady at their executive offices informing me that they would delete the TL. It took about a week for them to do so (in fact, it cleared off TU just today). They did not send me any documentation.

 

Another CA (a VP again found on the BBB website) replied back to my email saying they'd close out the account as settled in full (it was showing a balance and still open), but ignored me when I said I'd like them to delete. I intend on waiting a while on this one and then trying again, perhaps targetting a different VP.

 

The last one that I've been working on seems like a pretty small collection agency and I sent an email to their general email address, then followed up with a phone call after I didn't get a response in about a week. They said they'd delete but it wouldn't happen til September because they only report once a month. I'm skeptical, so I'll be calling back on that one as well.

 

Lastly, as far as tactics are concerned, all of my attempts have been under the category of "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar". On that note, my emails follow these rules:

 

1) I address it personally to the VP if possible (Dear Mr. Smith) and thank them for taking the time to read my email and hear me out. I also include the account number, date, and original creditor (if applicable).

2) I give some background as to what happened and what steps I've taken to correct my error. In conjunction, I admit that it was my mistake and take responsibility for it.

3) I express appreciation for the people I dealt with when settling the debt (without brown-nosing), even if they were anything but professional or pleasant. In essence, I praise them for working with me to get the matter settled.

4) I explain what I want and why - in most cases, deletion so that I can clear up my credit and put my past mistakes behind me, deletion to get a home loan, whatever.

5) I acknowledge that they have no obligation to assist me and appreciate them considering my request. In cases where I didn't pay in full, I add that if there's anything I can do to help them arrive at the decision to help, let me know.

 

To me, the trick is to get them to think of me as a person instead of a number, be polite, and keep on track. I don't want it to sound like a sob story or like I'm trying to grovel for table scraps, but I am asking them for a favor and want to express that I appreciate any help they can provide. I also be very careful not to ever lie or embellish the truth because if they ever want documentation to back up what I say, I would want to be able to provide it (well, and keep my karma clear). In my case, I was in the military and deployed and it hurt me pretty badly financially, so I might have to be able to show them that.

 

Anyway, that's how I went about it. Let me know if this helps!

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That's very helpful, I really appreciate you going into such depth. I feel like there are tons of example letters flying around, but what I'm more interested in is the exact strategy. I want to know how people found contact information and what level of person the emails were sent to. I feel like that's the key - getting it into the right person's hands that wioll just say "fine, we'll delete" - middle management seems like a good place. If you don't mind me asking, how did you find email addresses on the BB website? I have used different websites as a resource, but never BBB. I just took a look and don't see any email addresses for MBNA, which is one of the creditors I'm currently working on.

 

Your letters sounds nearly identical to mine - my are all super nice and I go to great lengths to thank them, compliment them, etc. I totally agree with the honey over vinegar analogy. I also try to stress the "loyal customer" imagine because most of my accounts with lates are still active and I still use them.

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It looks like MBNA doesn't have contact info listed, but I continued poking aroun don BBB's website and found contact info for people at other creditors. Great tip, thanks!

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I really went after any resource I could think of for these companies. To name a few:

 

1) Search myFICO for the information - a lot of times, people have already contacted the agency you're looking to get ahold of and know who to talk to. These forums are a treasure trove and the people are extremely helpful.

2) Search the corporate website for contact information. Usually you come up with nothing, but sometimes you can get a hit. Sometimes you can get the name of the person you're looking for, even if it's not their direct contact info.

3) Google for things like 'MBNA Vice President' or 'MBNA Collections' or things like that. Pay attention to the sites that are for credit repair or the corporate websites. You can usually ignore complaint websites or 'who called me?' type sites - they almost never have actual information so I wouldn't waste my time.

4) BBB.org sometimes has GREAT contact info. For example, I did a google search for 'equable ascent financial bbb' and the first hit was their BBB page. Under "Business Contact and Profile" were emails and phone numbers. Jackpot.

5) Guess at it. Particularly if you know the name of the VP you're trying to get in touch with, find another email address for that company and take a stab. For example, if you know that discover card's collections department is "collections@discoverfinancial.com" and you're looking for "John Doe, VP of Card Services" (not real contact info, moderators, don't worry!) it might be 'jdoe@discoverfinancial.com', 'johndoe@discoverfinancial.com', 'john.doe@discoverfinancial.com' or some other combination. If you send an email and it bounces back, you haven't lost anything. In conjunction with this, if you find the name of a VP and you find general contact info for someone else, you can generally make a pretty good guess at the proper naming convention they use on their emails. Just takes persistence.

6) Linkedin or similar business networking sites will often have information about people that work at a particular company, too. Great resource.

 

Anyway, so those are a few ways to find what you're looking for. I tended to target middle managers or low level executives, assuming that most "C" level execs are too busy to read my email and will toss it or shove it off on someone else (maybe not a bad thing) and low level folks often don't have the authority to do what you want. Granted, there's nothing wrong with shooting an email to the CEO or President of a company if you don't get the results you're looking for, either!

 

 

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I've actually been using LinkedIn a lot and people probably HATE me for it because what I've done is find the format for the company's email (e.g. first_last@company.com) and then search for people on LinkedIn in the consumer credit area. I blasted a bunch of SVPs at Bank of America with my GW letter and so far a bunch of them have replied with the "I'm the wrong person, but let me pass this along" reply, which I am really hoping will work out.

 

Sounds like we're using the same strategy, but the BBB info is super helpful. I've already found a bunch of email addresses!

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I'm targeting people in the SVP-VP range hoping that they'll be caught off guard, read my email and then their influence over whomever they pass it off to will cause the low level person to simply comply with my request since it was sent from Joe Schmo VP. We'll see if it works!!

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3 CAs, 6 months and probably 10-12 GW letters.. I'm taking your approach. Just fired off an email for one. I'll give the other two a call.

 

Unfortunately BBB doesn't seem to have any info regarding an "Innovative Collections" out of Tustin, CA. Going to have to spelunk for them.

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