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Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

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Hockeypnc1
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Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Great work

 

What does finesse the student loans mean??

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Anonymous
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Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Yes I'm curious about what you mean about the student loans...

Yes that was my first post. Just started my journey. One year into a 5 year chapter 13 repayment bankruptcy...
I have no idea what to do first.
Got to get my scores up.
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dynamicvb
Valued Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)


@Anonymous wrote:
Yes I'm curious about what you mean about the student loans...

Yes that was my first post. Just started my journey. One year into a 5 year chapter 13 repayment bankruptcy...
I have no idea what to do first.
Got to get my scores up.

No idea what the OP meant with the student loans, but I do know that I had wished I would have paid something on mine while in my payment plan. The interest kept growing and now I owe a lot more than before on those. While in a payment plan you will need trustee approval for any credit. You can do a mortgage after a year of on time payments, but the interest will be high. I did not apply for any credit during the entire time I was on my plan and even a year after my discharge which I regret now as I would have been over 800 if I would have gotten something right after discharge.

Started Rebuild 4/2018: EX 616| TU 604| EQ 621

Current 5/28/20:


First Goal Score: 750+ Reached 3/2019

Next Goal all over 800
Message 13 of 29
notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Student loans are not discharged at the end of a Chapter 13 unless you can prove hardship (was nowhere close to doing that) so I owed a substantial balance since the payments made during the Chapter 13 were mostly interest + a small amount of principal per month. It kind of sucks that you can't prioritize a student loan in Ch. 13 over other creditors... but I guess Sallie Mae likes being able to have their claws in you forever.

I paid the balance off using a 401k loan- since I was already doing a wage earner deduction for the Ch 13 anyways. I am getting some additional money towards savings/enjoying life, but this let me borrow money from myself at better interest than what I was paying Sallie Mae.

Charles Schwab AMEX Platinum NPSL | Amex Platinum (I know) NPSL | Amex Gold NPSL | First Tech FCU Choice Rewards World MC 35k | AMEX Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant 18k | AMEX Hilton Aspire 17.5k | Chase Southwest Priority Visa 15.5k | Bilt Rewards MC 14k | Capital One Venture X 13k | Fidelity VISA Signature 11.5k | Citi Custom Cash 11.9k | Citi Premier 8.9k | Chase Freedom Unlimited 9k | SoFi MC World Elite 8k | Barclays AAdvantage Aviator Red 8k | Capital One SavorOne 7.5k | Amazon/Synchrony 7.5k | Citi Custom Cash 6.9k | PayPal Synchrony MC 6.4k | DiscoverIt Cashback 5k | Hotels.com 5k | Apple Card 3k | Target 800 | Ch 13 filed 12/13 discharged as paid 1/19
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notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Update:

Capital One gave me 10K on a Venture card over the summer Smiley Surprised, and when I checked, the Platinum was eligible for a product change to a QuickSilver, so I took it (I really wanted a SavorOne, but they couldn't offer it), also got a $500 bump in that credit line. I'll apply for a SavorOne at sometime in 2021 (I want to get below Chase 5/24 first and try for some of their cards).

Amazon/Synchrony gave me a 1.5K line on the Store card, and then a 1.5K bump to 3K before Xmas. Target gave me a $300 line before summer, bumped it to $800. So all told I have a little over 38k in open credit lines, the QuickSilver is an old card, most of them (except the Venture, which I may or may not renew next year- if I don't pay the AF I'll downgrade to the no AF cousin VentureOne) are no AF, so they can stay open forever. Haven't carried a balance on any of them since they reopened post-chapter 13. I closed the credit union card when they told me they wouldn't make it unsecured until the Chapter 13 dropped off. Next on the list is at the end of the month, Discover should become an unsecured card (I may product change to the full Cashback card that has 5% categories).

Life is good so far.

Charles Schwab AMEX Platinum NPSL | Amex Platinum (I know) NPSL | Amex Gold NPSL | First Tech FCU Choice Rewards World MC 35k | AMEX Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant 18k | AMEX Hilton Aspire 17.5k | Chase Southwest Priority Visa 15.5k | Bilt Rewards MC 14k | Capital One Venture X 13k | Fidelity VISA Signature 11.5k | Citi Custom Cash 11.9k | Citi Premier 8.9k | Chase Freedom Unlimited 9k | SoFi MC World Elite 8k | Barclays AAdvantage Aviator Red 8k | Capital One SavorOne 7.5k | Amazon/Synchrony 7.5k | Citi Custom Cash 6.9k | PayPal Synchrony MC 6.4k | DiscoverIt Cashback 5k | Hotels.com 5k | Apple Card 3k | Target 800 | Ch 13 filed 12/13 discharged as paid 1/19
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AllZero
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Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Congratulations on your success!
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notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Thanks for the kudos, everyone.

One year review:

 

Discover is not graduating me to the unsecured card yet after one year. I'm going to wait until I get my Cashback Match of around $80 at the end of next month (so it's not like I don't USE the card- 100% on time payment, never carried a balance month to month, all statements paid in full), and if I don't graduate, go "yo Holmes, smell you later", because after first year Cashback Match that card is a 2% card for gas/restaurants, 1% everywhere else, and all my other cards can beat or equal that in some combination of cashback or rewards with existing cards. As a 4% card for gas and restaurants it's useful, half that not so much especially when a charge or current balance of $100 puts me at 20% utilization.

If it wasn't a secured card I could just sock drawer it but I'd rather get my $500 back and not have a card with a fairly small limit. Since this is a whopping $500 of my 36k or so in unsecured lines of credit, I'm not thinking this will impact me much (plus it means I can come BACK to Discover once my Chapter 13 falls off as a new client).

I figure that doing the product conversion of Capital One Platinum->Quicksilver and renewing the Venture card (I decided I'll do it, the potential gain in frequent flyer miles over a 2% cashback card or VentureOne is enough to pay $95) is enough for the next few months. Right now my Petal card is on track to become a 1.5% cashback card in May.

Chapter 13 falls off in January 2021 and I'll go under Chase 5/24 by the end of January, so that probably becomes my app-o-rama , and then we'll see what Chase can do for me: my targets are a Chase Sapphire Preferred (possible Venture replacement), a Chase Freedom and Freedom Unlimited.

Charles Schwab AMEX Platinum NPSL | Amex Platinum (I know) NPSL | Amex Gold NPSL | First Tech FCU Choice Rewards World MC 35k | AMEX Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant 18k | AMEX Hilton Aspire 17.5k | Chase Southwest Priority Visa 15.5k | Bilt Rewards MC 14k | Capital One Venture X 13k | Fidelity VISA Signature 11.5k | Citi Custom Cash 11.9k | Citi Premier 8.9k | Chase Freedom Unlimited 9k | SoFi MC World Elite 8k | Barclays AAdvantage Aviator Red 8k | Capital One SavorOne 7.5k | Amazon/Synchrony 7.5k | Citi Custom Cash 6.9k | PayPal Synchrony MC 6.4k | DiscoverIt Cashback 5k | Hotels.com 5k | Apple Card 3k | Target 800 | Ch 13 filed 12/13 discharged as paid 1/19
Message 17 of 29
notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Oh, this is hilarious. Discover won't graduate me, but WILL give me a new $5,000 line of unsecured credit with better interest rates (0% on purchases/balance transfers for 14 months, 3% fee for balance transfers, 13.49% otherwise, plus it's the cashback that has the 5% bonus categories, and since it's a NEW CARD... maybe a new year of Cashback Match?). LOL.


So NEW plan is cash in Cashback Match on old card, close card and get my $500 back (or call and see if they'll combine credit lines or something? IDK), use new card on the 5% categories I now get. Suh-weet.

Charles Schwab AMEX Platinum NPSL | Amex Platinum (I know) NPSL | Amex Gold NPSL | First Tech FCU Choice Rewards World MC 35k | AMEX Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant 18k | AMEX Hilton Aspire 17.5k | Chase Southwest Priority Visa 15.5k | Bilt Rewards MC 14k | Capital One Venture X 13k | Fidelity VISA Signature 11.5k | Citi Custom Cash 11.9k | Citi Premier 8.9k | Chase Freedom Unlimited 9k | SoFi MC World Elite 8k | Barclays AAdvantage Aviator Red 8k | Capital One SavorOne 7.5k | Amazon/Synchrony 7.5k | Citi Custom Cash 6.9k | PayPal Synchrony MC 6.4k | DiscoverIt Cashback 5k | Hotels.com 5k | Apple Card 3k | Target 800 | Ch 13 filed 12/13 discharged as paid 1/19
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recoveringfrombk7
Established Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Congrats on all of your stuff. Just as an FYI to people who might be reading, Discovered Secured can be PC'd to the 5% rotating categories card after the first statement. I ended up with almost $400 of cash back match after my year of secured and did not even find out I could change it until 75% of the way through the year.

OP if you're interested in Chase it might be time to tap the brakes. Check out the Garden Club in the Personal Finance section. The 5%/1% card will be a 10%/2% card for your first year which makes it really reasonable to use it for everything, which in turn will help you get CLIs. Keep updating us on your journey!

I too suffered from predatory Sallie Mae/Navient loans (12%+ on 55k!), but was able to refi with common bond to 6.25 1 year post discharge with a cosigner. Just throwing all of my extra money at it and I've knocked it down from 7 yrs to 4, still paying 200 or more than the minimum. It's a long trek to getting out of debt, but it's so much less stress being on the other side of a bankruptcy. I wish I would have filed sooner.










Desired BK recovery line up complete 7/12/2021. Planning to garden until 8/2023 and potentially try for AMEX.
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notmyrealname23
Established Contributor

Re: Long time listener, first time caller (rebuild after Ch 13 five year discharge)

Yikes, I wish I had known that it could be PC'ed, I would have totally done that instead of using it as a 2/4% card for errything/gas and restaurants. OTOH it was only $500 secured so pretty hard to max it out on those 5% categories.

I do plan on tapping the brakes now that Discover is going to be a $5k unsecured line shortly. I'll be somewhere over $40k in lines of credit, with the breakdown on what card gets used for what in 2020 going something like this:

 

DiscoverIt Cashback: use for 5% categories every quarter, no AF, collect sweet cashback match in early 2021 Smiley Very Happy
C1 Venture: travel card @ 2.25% cashback value (I value some of the miles I can transfer into at around 1.5 cpm, x 1.5 because the transfer ratio is 2:1.5), $95 AF, no international fees

Fidelity Visa: 2% cashback, use domestic as a catchall card, no AF, does have international fees so not used outside of US

C1 QuickSilver: 1.5% cashback, use lightly so it doesn't get taken out, no AF, no international fees

Petal: 1.25% cashback going to 1.5% in May, also used lightly, no international fee

Amazon/Trarget store cards (note, they aren't Visa/MC so no Chase 5/24): use at stores except when DiscoverIt CB is the winner in Q4 2020 at 10% cashback instead of 5%.

 

There will be times where I deliberately don't hyperoptimize the card usage for cashback (except for international- I travel enough outside the US that I value no-fee cards for international transactions) to every last penny because I want to keep the cards all active + not be carrying a high balance/utilization on any of them when they report each month. If that means I have to sacrifice $10  or $20 over the course of a year, so be it.

I also anticipate having large credit card expenditures in 2021 because my daughter will be entering a four year state college (I have the tuition money lined up in a 529) which lines up PERFECT with big ol' Chase credit card spending bonuses. Until then, my combo of C1 Venture/Discover It CB/Fidelity Visa isn't the "Chase Trifecta" but it's not terrible. Smiley Wink

 

Charles Schwab AMEX Platinum NPSL | Amex Platinum (I know) NPSL | Amex Gold NPSL | First Tech FCU Choice Rewards World MC 35k | AMEX Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant 18k | AMEX Hilton Aspire 17.5k | Chase Southwest Priority Visa 15.5k | Bilt Rewards MC 14k | Capital One Venture X 13k | Fidelity VISA Signature 11.5k | Citi Custom Cash 11.9k | Citi Premier 8.9k | Chase Freedom Unlimited 9k | SoFi MC World Elite 8k | Barclays AAdvantage Aviator Red 8k | Capital One SavorOne 7.5k | Amazon/Synchrony 7.5k | Citi Custom Cash 6.9k | PayPal Synchrony MC 6.4k | DiscoverIt Cashback 5k | Hotels.com 5k | Apple Card 3k | Target 800 | Ch 13 filed 12/13 discharged as paid 1/19
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