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Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

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Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

I have an account in collections (Barclays Credit Card) that was picked up by Midland Funding. I reached out (Via phone) to chat with them about settling and removing the debt. I'm confused as to what their polices are as the rep-as sure as he sounded-continued to move the goal post so we didn't settle or come to an agreement during our chat. The rep then said he would reserve the offer for the next couple of days buyt refused to give the offer in writing (when asked).

 

The debt is for $2,065. I asked if we could settle. At first he siad no, b/c apparently there is also a lien against me (this was all news to me--I had no idea). So we go from not being able to settle to being able to settle for $1850-one time payment. I told him I couldn't do that and certainly couldn't do it with a one time payment and was told he couldn't help be further. After some probing, I asked if he could check to see if we could settle for $1200. He said no, no no, then went to check. Said "Good news--we could settle for $1,662!" to be paid today. I told him I couldn't comit to that--could we break the payments up. He said yes after some probing but that we couldn't do half this month-half next month. They would need $1200 today and the remainder next month. Told him I couldn't do it--so he finally said yes--we could do half and half. I told him that after all the figures and back and forth and the goal post continuing to change--I couldn't comit to anything. Is this normal? Why couldn't I get the offer in writing? Should I call back and try again with another account manager? I'm so confused. I feel like I'm negotiating with used car sales people at this point.

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gdale6
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Midland is a junk debt buyer they pay pennies on the dollar for these older collections and then squeeze you to get the most out of you. If Barclays is showing a balance on your CR then they still own it and MF is acting only as their collection agent, in this scenario Barclays sets the minimum for settlement. What I dont understand is the lien, you would have to own real property and they would have had to get a court judgment against you. I would check your local courts records to see if there has been such a case against you. If this is past the SOL and there is no lien or judgment I would just let them wait on receiving anything from me.

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bass_playr
Established Contributor

Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Hiya, 

 

First thing's first.  There are several variables that you should be aware of before you go down this road.  If there's a lien against you, then they should be able to provide you with documentation.  At the very least, they should be able to tell you where said lien was filed.  A lien does not happen unless you've been sued.  So, if you were completely unaware, then they are either lying about the lien altogether, or else they performed sewer service and lied to the court about having you served the summons.  Either way, that's illegal.  Many courts do allow service by publication but only if they attempted to serve you in good faith and could not locate you.  Too often, the affidavits for these things are falsified because they know you're most likely never going to find out what they did.  And Midland is one of the worst when it comes to shady and dishonest debt collection practices.  I would call them back, personally, and demand that they provide to you info about the lien.  If they are not willing to send you a copy of the judgment, that would raise big red flags for me.  At the very least, they should be able to identify what court they sued in, so you could check that court clerk's office and obtain the case info.  If they did actually sue you, you're going to want to check the proof of service documentation in the docket.  They must state to the court that they attempted service properly, or that they completed it properly.  Often times, shady collectors falsify the proof of service, I've personally been involved in such a deal with Midland where they claimed to have done what was not even possible--i.e. personally serving me after proper identification at an address I not only never lived at, but had never even heard of.  

 

If they used those dirty tricks, you can file a motion to vacate the judgment due to fraud upon the court and improper service.

 

Next, you'll want to make sure that the debt is still within your state's SOL.  If it is not, then that's an important detail, because it gives you some potential leverage in settlement talks.  You see, if they can no longer sue you over the debt, then the only real chance they have to collect any money on it is if you're willing to pay.  That extra leverage could be enough to force their hand and get them to accept a lower amount.  

 

Third, keep in mind that the person on the phone has one goal--and only one goal.  That's to get as much money from you as possible.  If they feel that you're willing to pay a certain amount, they will often act as though they are doing you a big favor by accepting that amount.  At the end of the day, since they usually pay pennies on the dollar for these debts, it's almost all still profit for them anyway.  Don't let them bully you.  If there's an amount you're comfortable with paying, stick to your guns.  At the end of the day, I suspect that there is no lien against you.  And if you find out that there is no lien, don't offer to pay them anything.....you can catch them on a violation of FDPCA if they lied about this.  If it all comes together the right way, and you catch them violating the FDCPA, then you might be able to make them go away without paying at all....you MIGHT even find yourself in a position where they might have to pay you for their lies.  

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bass_playr
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

With all respect for gdale, I would not just let them wait if they lied about a lien.  It's against federal law to use any lie or deception in the course of attempting to collect a debt.  Period.  I would turn the tables on them for it.  I didn't understand the lien either, I think they were bluffing to try to intimidate you into paying.  If that's the case, they deserve to be slapped down for it.

 

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FireMedic1
Community Leader
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

@AnonymousAre you a homeowner? If not they dont have a leg to stand on.



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vntrsc
Established Contributor

Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Check with your county court to see if there is a judgment against you because that can create a lien on your property.

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Anonymous
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Thanks so much for the response. Yes, I do own real property--however the lien isn't against the property--I was told the lien is against me, personally--which I do not totally understand. Also, I was NEVER served a summons which is strange. He was very pushy about the repayment but I was like "Wait, can we not skip over the lein portion"? I looked it up and a lein is definatley there. I'm so blown away they can do this. Super shady!

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Anonymous
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Thanks so much for responding. My first thought was "how is there a lien that I wasn't aware of"? I suspect they lied about serving a summons--that's gotta be the broken link the chain.

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vntrsc
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Look up the rules of civil procedure for your court.  Then read the rule for service of process.  It will list the ways a defendant can be legally served.  Then go to the court and look in the file.  There should be a certificate of service that will show how you were allegedly served.  Note the some states allow a summons and complaint to be left at the door of a consumer's residence or service by publication in the newspaper.  Your rule will provide specifics on the methods of service.

 

You should also check your rules or state law to find out how long a judgment lasts and whether or not it can be renewed.

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bass_playr
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Re: Midland Funding Negotiation Questions

Wait, you looked it up and there is a lien against your property?  

 

OK, It's time to address this portion, because it could actually play a part in making the whole mess go away.  I would go to the court clerk's office in the county where the lien was placed, and ask them to pull up any court cases with your name on them.  Once you locate the case where they sued you, you're going to want to review the documents of the case.  Just ask them, they should allow you to either review the case on site or get copies for a fee.  You want the entire proof of service, however many pages it is.  In the POS, they must state to the court how they had you served.  What you might find is that they either "served" you at a different address, or else they lied and claimed you were personally served at your address.  It's not uncommon for them to lie about the address where they "served" you...although in this case, for them to place a lien on your property they must have known your address--and if they did use the wrong address, that can work in your favor.  So, that's the very first thing I would do.  Check the proof of service.  If you find, as I suspect, that they falsified this, then I would absolutely go after them--the process is actually rather simple for this.  You would then simply file a motion to vacate judgment due to improper service.  

 

I've seen a lot of debt collectors--including Midland--pull this stunt.  

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